Newest USRC Magazine...issue 2, 2006???

[Skip]

Anybody get there's? Great pic of Herbie vom Grutenblick on the cover...and Lira vom Haus Milan..2006 National Sieger/Siegerin winners. Lots of controversy at the show (I was there), but that Herbie is one great looking rott.

[jas'smom]

Got mine and if you check out page 53 you will find pictures of our very own Miabella and Bostonrott with their dogs

[Skip]

Originally Posted by jas'smom

Got mine and if you check out page 53 you will find pictures of our very own Miabella and Bostonrott with their dogs

Hey, congrats..ok...no pics..BUT on page 24 (2nd from the top) you will see that my boy Shane passed his BH...AND at the bottom of the same page you will see the same dog went V3 in the 18 - 24 month males.

[jas'smom]

Originally Posted by Skip

Hey, congrats..ok...no pics..BUT on page 24 (2nd from the top) you will see that my boy Shane passed his BH...AND at the bottom of the same page you will see the same dog went V3 in the 18 - 24 month males.

a BIG CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU!!!

[Bob Flynn]

The only controversy was the best dog won and it is the same whiner everytime he does not win. Herbie had his BST AND VPGI. Perfectly legal, since then he has torn europe apart. Herbie goes V1 in the Working Class at the KS. On top of that, he makes excellent pups...love mine.

Bob-

[mferg]

Got mine, too. I can't remember what page it's on, but there's an ad for Ruby right after the article about the North American.

[RottsNScotts]

[quote=Bob Flynn;684230]The only controversy was the best dog won and it is the same whiner everytime he does not win. Herbie had his BST AND VPGI. Perfectly legal, since then he has torn europe apart. Herbie goes V1 in the Working Class at the KS. On top of that, he makes excellent pups...love mine.

I was not there but as I understand the discussion, if he had his BST and VPG I, he was not eligible for the Open class which is what he was entered and shown in.

Would sort of be like me having Bill McFadden - top notch AKC handler that you have all probably seen on TV multiple times! - show one of my girls in Bred-by Exhibitor then acting all confused and hurt when people complained about them going Best in Show!

And what does tearing Europe apart have to do with making an illegal showing "perfectly legal"?

[Bob Flynn]

Herbie had obtained his VPG AND BST AFTER he had been entered. Eric went as far as to notify the officials at the show that he now had his BST and VPG and they, the officials kept Herbie in his class. Regardless of being in whatever class, he beat them head to head for the Sieger. So, no it is not even remotely the same as a Bred By Exhibitor being shown by a outside handler, I find this remark odd, especially since the dog will still have to go against the other winners in their respective class. The dog would have beat the winner of your supposed Bred By Exhibitor regardless. Eric nor Herbie needs to cheat, nor will Eric ever cheat. And what does tearing apart europe have do with anything? A few people seem to had the impression he was sandbagging, which Herbie has won what?......7 or so Sieger Titles since the USRC show against the best in the world, including V1 at the KS, in the working class. Name me a dog that has titled more in the past 3 months?

Eric is no Bill McFadden either, and it is sad that a dog wins solely based upon its handler. Eric has had minimal wins prior to obtaining Herbie, so comparing his political clout to McFadden is not right.

Bob-

[mferg]

From what I've seen from the USRC magazine, I'm not going to deny that Herbie is a very nice dog. And I really can't (and won't) speculate what the outcome would be against other dogs. It does make a difference, though, on what dogs he would have shown against. Checking the results of the show, the winner of the working class was not eligible to compete for Sieger, so Herbie did not go against him. If Herbie had been in the correct class (working), the outcome could have been different.

I make no speculation about what would have happened and who would have won. But, it doesn't necessarily equal out because "Herbie beat out the other dogs in the end." Not all the other dogs he would have rightfully competed with were there at the end.

[Bob Flynn]

So who's fault is it? This is not the first time I have seen this organization make controversial mistakes...lets talk about the SWRS and giving the Youth Sieger Title to the SG1 dog and not the V1 dog and then make the comment that a mistake was made and then never rectified. Never heard any whining over this, not even by the owner of the V1 dog.

So Eric, tells the officials that his dog has its VPG and BST and wants to go out of the Working but is denied. Who's bad is that and why is this still being hashed out?

Bob-

[mferg]

Originally Posted by Bob Flynn

So who's fault is it? Bob-

I'm not assigning blame. I wasn't there and this has been tossed around on other lists and forums with the folks involved. My only comment was on the dogs competed with. I'm not saying Herbie doesn't deserve the title. He very well may have taken the title if he'd been in the working class. I don't know and I don't care to speculate. I also don't care to speculate on the other incident you cite. Again, I wasn't there and I don't know what happenend.

Still, great cover on the mag. Very nice mag in general.

[RottsNScotts]

Originally Posted by Bob Flynn

Herbie had obtained his VPG AND BST AFTER he had been entered. Eric went as far as to notify the officials at the show that he now had his BST and VPG and they, the officials kept Herbie in his class. Regardless of being in whatever class, he beat them head to head for the Sieger. So, no it is not even remotely the same as a Bred By Exhibitor being shown by a outside handler, I find this remark odd, especially since the dog will still have to go against the other winners in their respective class. The dog would have beat the winner of your supposed Bred By Exhibitor regardless. Eric nor Herbie needs to cheat, nor will Eric ever cheat. And what does tearing apart europe have do with anything? A few people seem to had the impression he was sandbagging, which Herbie has won what?......7 or so Sieger Titles since the USRC show against the best in the world, including V1 at the KS, in the working class. Name me a dog that has titled more in the past 3 months?

Eric is no Bill McFadden either, and it is sad that a dog wins solely based upon its handler. Eric has had minimal wins prior to obtaining Herbie, so comparing his political clout to McFadden is not right.

Bob-

I wasn't saying that Eric cheated or that it was even his fault/responsibility! I was saying that the dog won out of a class he was not eligible for, whomever made the error in having him show in that class AFTER he was titled.

I also wasn't commenting on political clout causing a dog to win. I used Bill as an example as most would recognize that he has NO connection to my hypothetical Bred by entry at all so as to illustrate an ineligible entry winning and causing controversy.

I also wasn't inferring Herbie was sandbagging; just saying that his wins in Europe have no bearing on what occurred here.

I wish they had more pictures of him in the magazine for those of us poor souls that could not attend!

[Bob Flynn]

As far as pictures go, you can see more of him on Munanis site. He is a massive dog, super dry, high drive and a very good mover. Eric plays by the rules and does not deserve this load of BS, post your complaints to the Organization whom made the judgement call. It was fair and it was legal.

Bob-

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Bob Flynn

The only controversy was the best dog won and it is the same whiner everytime he does not win. ....Bob-

I agree Herbie is a great dog, but mistakes WERE made that could have changed the outcome if the rules had been followed. I would just have liked to have seen all rules followed more closely...it's a damn National for crying out loud, then a lot of people would have no basis in complaining. I'm no pro judge...I would have given it to Herbie if the rules had been followed for sure. But that's just me.

[RottsNScotts]

It isn't a load of BS to post what occurred. Nor am I complaining. You put that the controversy was caused by a "whiner" and I posted that that was not my understanding of the situation. It is neither fair nor legal when rules are broken, no matter who they were broken or caused to be broken by.