Seiger show vs Sanction show

[p1lacios]

I just completed my first Sieger show in Jacksonville,NC. Above all, I do have to say it was a big learning experience to me and my pup. Although my 12 month old pup got a rating SG-4 in the youth class I am still going to try agian. The next show I am thinking about going to is a USRC Sanctioned show. Is this show different from the seiger show, and if it is how so? I would greatly appreciate it if anyone out there could explain to me the different shows and the process to becoming a CH. thank you all.. R/S

PALACIOS'S "TOBIE" VON SEDERHAUS

[BostonRott]

A USRC show is sanctioned only by the USRC. Truly, it means nothing outside of the USRC. The AIRK show that you attended is pretty much the same thing as what you'll find at any USRC show. The format is the same. The USRC does have the ability to use ADRK judges, other than that, they are no different than any of the independant organizations, in terms of how their shows are run.

For winning Sieger, the USRC does require that your dog have a SchH title and a BST. In order to earn the BST, your dog must be registered with the USRC and you must be a current member.

That said, many consider the Select Adult awards at USRC shows to be the "bigger" award because you actually compete against dogs (those of the Open, CH and working class). Often, dogs who have won Sieger/in have won by default b/c no other dogs were qualified (not much of a "beauty" win, if you ask me).

Go, enjoy, have fun.

USRC and Sieger shows have nothing to do with becoming a CH. Their titles are not recognized outside the club, not recognized by the ADRK, etc.

CH is earned in the AKC venue. This title is recognized in other countries. The dog must defeat other dogs, including twice at large shows (majors).

[MacLeodR]

Don't be discouraged with an SG-4. Your boy was the youngest in his class. When Rotties are maturing, they go thru many growth stages, just like teenagers. My boy didn't do anything at this show last year because he was young. He managed to win the BBE class this year. Give him time, enjoy him and get him out to the shows. You'd be suprised how much showing socialize the dog. An SG is very good. Depending on the judge, V-ratings are suppose to be given to dogs over 24mths. Good luck and I hope to see you and your boy Tobie at some upcoming shows.

Robert M

[laurlitt]

All the events are the same in the sense that they are German Style conformation shows (which is probably a more appropriate name than to call them Siegers). USRC has Sieger shows, but only at the National and Regional levels (where a Sieger title is awarded). All other shows are 'local' shows and not called a Sieger show... and only the Best Male and Female are given a 'Select' title.

[BostonRott]

Originally Posted by laurlitt

All other shows are 'local' shows and not called a Sieger show... and only the Best Male and Female are given a 'Select' title.

Actually, on the East coast, they are being called Sieger shows, to denote the style. Not arguing, just explaining. Many people seem to use that term now instead of "German style."

[p1lacios]

Thank you all for the quick response. I did feel confused with the name differences of sactioned and seiger. But you have all put me at ease. Based on the show this weekend and what I did learn, I will be competing in a couple more this year. Not only was it easy, it was fun. And I do realize that each judge has different opinions of what they are looking for in a rottweiler and I may have better luck next time.
By the way my dog had 2 faults that hurt us. One was mouth pigment not dark enough and he could have had a broader chest. Does anyone have any pointers on how to try and correct these? Thanks again
We are currently planning on attending the USRC Seiger show in Chester SC. Hope to make new friends at this show.

[BostonRott]

Mouth pigment and final bredth of chest are both genetically controlled. There are stories that you can give your dog kelp, carrots and other dark-pigmented foods to increase pigment. I've never seen it make a real difference.

His chest bredth will increase as he ages and grows/fills out more. However, it's final status is again something that is genetically controlled.

[Beardog]

You could try feeding him black jelly beans before the next show . No just kidding... his mouth pigment is what it is, nothing you can change .
As far as his chest, Time will take care of that, he is only 12 months old right? he has alot of filling out to do over the next year or two. Feed and exercise him right and he will be fine.
I think judges have to say something to validate their placements. and I would not get too upset with an SG rating it means very good and is the best rating he can get as a young dog.
Also, and this is just my opinion, but I will not show again until my boy has gotten older, bigger, and filled out more. I showed him as a 6 mth. old(6 mth and 2wks old) and the youngest in his class and he did not do as well as the larger more mature looking pups.
I will try to pick a show where he will be at the older end of the class. Congrats and good luck at the next show.

[laurlitt]

Originally Posted by BostonRott

Actually, on the East coast, they are being called Sieger shows, to denote the style. Not arguing, just explaining. Many people seem to use that term now instead of "German style."

No need to explain, I know that people call them Siegers and I find it cheesey personally... Sieger can translate to 'Champion', so basically people are calling these shows "Champions"... which to me, that word by itself has no meaning when refering to the type of show... and I still feel that German Style is more appropriate (just not as easy to say) just nit picking I suppose.

[targonrotts]

by the way, don't take what a judge says too personally.
some judges might sight that, others might find something different.i used to show in seger shows, and my bitch, hailey, went youth segerin in 2001 and did awesome...a few weeks later, she was last place in class!reason given?as per the judge, the sooty markings on her feet were because of demodex!and said she was not a breedable bitch because that was contagious!how wrong he was!i grabbed her legs and showed him it was her markings...he said, too late, oh well.
so, don't take it personally, condition and exercise your dog, and good luck at your next one.

[rottielover2004]

I did my first seiger show when Harley was 8 months. You have to take the critique with a grain of salt. What that judge does not like 5 more will like. Each judge has their preferences ( even though they are not supposed to). I am far from being a pro at this, actually I am only learning for my next rottie. But I much prefer the seiger show compared to the CKC style shows. I have watched many of each....

[p1lacios]

I want to tell every one thank you for your support. I plan to continue with my feeding plan and excercise regime. I did however purchase some norweigen kelp that is said to darken the pigmentation ans better the health of the dog. I am worried that in the process I will end up dakening his very well defined markings. I know everyybody feels there dog is the best but I do feel my dog has very good potential. He has a very athletic body structure. If anyone has any more info on the kelp, please inform me before I make a big mistake. Thanks...