Judge dissed veteran dog and USRC

[BostonRott]

Originally Posted by fbkeays

I am sure this is splitting hairs, but *I* was lead out of the ring. Monica, the actual handler on Duncan, was not escorted out of the ring.

If you had a handler on the dog (Monica), why were you in the ring? While double handling is allowed/expected, most judges are very strict about there only being one handler in the ring with the dog.

[RottieMom51503]

I don't know much about show work, okay I don't know anything and maybe I am taking some words people have said here wrong but why she Francis the bad guy here. Personally I would be spitting nails. Rules are rules. They didn't give notice to dogs that were being entered about the FCI rules. Rules stated she could enter her vet dog even though he was fixed. They should of upheld those rules because no one was notified about FCI rules. Duncan should have been judged..period. It shouldn't matter if Francis, Monica, the hot vendor, etc.. where in the ring that is not why the dog was Disqualified. I'm sure Francis spent alot of time training her dog and working with her handler to prepare for this show because as she understood it her dog could be entered.

I'm really sorry this happened to you and I can understand why you are upset. The email would have been a slap in the face to me. It sounds like they are trying to cover someones butt.

[BostonRott]

No one in this thread has said Francis was the bad guy....please point out where that was said. USRC has also not tried to place blame with Francis, they have apologized to her and refunded her money. She had every right to be upset, and the point of me posting Dee's email was to give an "official" point of view from USRC (since I doubt most people who have replied to this thread are members, and therefore can't read the "members only" board and see the discussion on this issue), and to show that USRC is working to figure out how to handle this for the future.

So what email would be a slap in your face, and why?

[fbkeays]

Originally Posted by BostonRott

If you had a handler on the dog (Monica), why were you in the ring? While double handling is allowed/expected, most judges are very strict about there only being one handler in the ring with the dog.

I was outside the ring until the judge said that he was DQ'ing the dog for lack of testicles. Monica motioned me into the ring to tell me.

[macho rottie]

Sorry Duncan was DQ'd. How sad for the old guy. To me that is very wrong. I see spayed and neutered veterans in the ring here in Canada all the time. They so love running around the ring again and having everyone clap for them. You know what? They earned it!!!!

[RottieMom51503]

What are you referring to?? Who said that anyone found this funny??? Who said you provided entertainment?

I thought Dee's message was well written, that is why I asked for permission to post it. And if you read it, the show committee is already addressing the issue and suggestions in the form of proposals are being solicited, from anyone.

Maybe you didn't mean it but I think you sound a bit hasty here. you also sounded hasty in your post asking what she was doing in the ring and the post directed to me. All that is great but what about her lost time, training, money invested? I think they acted very shady and yes I think them saying sorry in a email is a slap in the face. Email to me doesn't sound very personal. I'm not sure why you are taking this so personal.

[BostonRott]

Originally Posted by RottieMom51503

I'm not sure why you are taking this so personal.

I'm not. I simply offered a statement from one of the club's officers, and asked a question to Francis for clarification.

[DogFather]

You'd think if a sanctioning body was holding a show under rules that differed from their own, they'd make it clear to all entrants exactly which rules they intended to use.

And you'd think that any foreign judge would have enough common sense to acknowledge the differences between the two sets of rules and make the appropriate allowances as a simple courtesy to the sanctioning body, the club, the PAYING exhibitor, and the dog. Duncan WAS the only dog in the class, for cryin' out loud!!

It sounds to me like the USRC needs to get it's act together on the rules issue, and the judge was just being a jerk. An email apology??? The USRC should have FedEx'd an award to Duncan along with a half dozen free-entry coupons for upcoming shows, just on general principles. I'd be seriously P.O.'d, too.

Terry

[Zephir]

By what I have read (I was not at the show) I don’t think the judge was being a jerk. He was following the rules set forth by the FCI per the ADRK. I was not aware of this when I wrote my original response. I understand that the ADRK is the card holder and in order for their judges to continue to judge they must follow the FCI rules.

The problem lays with the USRC rules, not the judge. The USRC is aware of the rule differences and how the ADRK and FCI judges have to judge. The rules should be changed accordingly. It was explained in the post from Gretchen that recommendations should be forwarded to the USRC Show Committee. I think everyone that has responded to this topic should send in their recommendation for the rule change. I think the rating system should also be addressed.

It’s tragic that this had to happen to Francis and Duncan. I certainly would be livid about the whole situation, but now I understand why it all happened – rules that don’t coincide

[Miabella]

What I don't understand is why Duncan couldn't be critiqued and gaited around the ring without a rating. No FCI rules would have been breached and a veteran dog wouldn't have been unceremoniously booted from the ring. Could someone explain that to me? Thanks.

[Zephir]

Originally Posted by Miabella

What I don't understand is why Duncan couldn't be critiqued and gaited around the ring without a rating. No FCI rules would have been breached and a veteran dog wouldn't have been unceremoniously booted from the ring. Could someone explain that to me? Thanks.

Veteran dogs are not rated, only placed. Someone else will have to answer about the critique. When you're DQ you leave the ring right then b/c you are longer part of the class (whether you're the only dog in the class or not). Mr. Spindler would have been breaking FCI rules had he judged Duncan, so yes FCI rules would have been broken. Until it is petitioned to have the rules changed this could possibly happen again.

[fbkeays]

I wonder what Mr. Spindler's bosses would say when shown proof that he had not only critiqued a spayed bitch in the veteran class, he placed her. He gave no ratings to any of the three veteran bitches, but I know for a fact that one was spayed. By then Mr. Spindler had to know that it was possible that a spayed bitch would be entered in the veteran class.

[Zephir]

Originally Posted by fbkeays

I wonder what Mr. Spindler's bosses would say when shown proof that he had not only critiqued a spayed bitch in the veteran class, he placed her. He gave no ratings to any of the three veteran bitches, but I know for a fact that one was spayed. By then Mr. Spindler had to know that it was possible that a spayed bitch would be entered in the veteran class.

If he didn't know, he didn't know. IF the owner of the spayed veteran female saw what happened with Duncan, then shame on the owner for showing her.

[Skip]

How would a judge know that a female was spayed unless somebody told him?

[JudyP]

I feel bad for Duncan... as you stated he knows what is expected of him and loves to show. This judge sounds very hard to me.... there should be one set of guidelines for judges and the entrants and the judge should know those before they go in the ring.

I am sorry that you and Duncan had to go thru this!!

j