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Old 01-20-2010, 04:32 PM
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What is in a price?

So I have seen a WIDE array of prices, from 650-5000+ what is an average price for a well bred dog with titled parents of European origin, with all health tests and guarantees? I donít want to get taken to the cleaners so to speak.... For the most part the ones I have been looking at are around 1500-2000, is that normal?
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:00 PM
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Re: What is in a price?

Well it's really hard to nail down a price. My opinion is around $1000 is an average.

High price doesn't mean good dog. That being said.....a high quality breeding stock demands a premium price.

Do some research. Talk to a breeder, preferebly in person. Good luck.
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:14 PM
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Re: What is in a price?

Usually my puppies sell for about 1200-1500, sometimes less depending on the puppy/person buying the dog. Parents are health cleared and shown/titled, all out of German imports, or are themselves German imports.

When you take into account the stud fee (ranging from 1500-2500, usually around 1500), travel to do the breeding, boarding the bitch at the stud dogs house if its too far, ultrasound to confirm pregnancy, X ray to count puppies, medical supplies for the litter, then deworming, vetting, dewclaw removal (this is all just for the pregnancy/first few weeks) then as they get older for weaning the food. If you have a litter of 7 pups once fully weaned to kibble (on a premium diet) it costs (in canada) about 70$ for 15 kilos, and on average for 7-8 pups you go through about 3 bags a week. Then theres vaccines, deoworming again, and a final health clear from the vet prior to new homes, plus all the work the breeder put into rearing/socializing and testing the puppies. Also, most breeders will give you a health guarantee against genetic defect as well for a certain number of years.

Now all that did not go into the cost to OFA/OVC clear a dog, plus heart/eye clearance. To OFA a dog most vets charge between 400-600, plus the fee to send into OFA, then the heart/eye clearances which have to be done at specialists. The eye/heart starts at 60$ each. If you do an Echo of the heart it can range from 200-400.

Then theres the costs of showing/training the dog. To title in conformation is VERY expensive, show fees, handler fees, travel fees, hotel fees. To train in ScH there is your club membership, plus training 3-5 days/wk with the dog, plus trial entries (and with trail entries we go back to more fees!! ) PLUS the owners time and effort should not be forgotten.... Everyones time is valuable....

Sooooo I hope this helps answer your question when you ask "Whats in a price" :) Mind you not all breeders are created equal and there are many "breeders" out there who are importing titled dogs already pregnant and selling the puppies for 2500+ (which to me is crazy and they arent really breeders) and never working the dogs or showing them another day in their life!

Good luck with your search for your pup!! :)
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:31 PM
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Re: What is in a price?

Geri you really opened my eyes as to why the price is so high, I never thought about many of those things. I tip my hat to breeders cause that is a phenominal amount of time and money taken away from them.
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:34 PM
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Geri you really opened my eyes as to why the price is so high, I never thought about many of those things. I tip my hat to breeders cause that is a phenominal amount of time and money taken away from them.
Yeah, but they get to play with the little rascals for eight weeks!!! Shouldn't we charge them for that???
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:57 PM
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Yeah, but they get to play with the little rascals for eight weeks!!! Shouldn't we charge them for that???
Oh, this is SSSOOOO true. (although they try to tell us it's work! )
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:03 PM
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Re: What is in a price?

Mind if I ask you about the male you have now? I don't want to ask you how much you paid for him. But in relation to the price range you listed... where was he in that range? And did you purchase him from a Breeder or BYB?

I as you got a price of 5 grand from one breeder who could care less about me or what I was looking for in a dog. I strongly recommend you contact some breeders who are in your area, so that you can see up close what quality they have to offer you. Geri gave you an excellent break down of the associated costs. If you want a quality bred pup from a proven line, I doubt 650.00 will yield you the results of what you're searching for.
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:15 PM
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If you want a quality bred pup from a proven line, I doubt 650.00 will yield you the results of what you're searching for.
Exactly! If you are looking for a show puppy or a pet puppy will also sometimes make a difference. Some breeders charge the same since the same cost goes into them regardless if they are show or not but some charge less for a pet quality pup. Many people have no intention of showing anyway so it doesn't matter to them.

Most people couldn't tell the difference between a pet quality pup and a show quality pup either. The difference between them on a well bred litter is not obvious to the average person.

If you want to breed down the road, look closely at all that goes into it. You would obviously need to start out with good stock and then work on titles and health clearances etc...
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:29 PM
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Re: What is in a price?

Geri,
You hit the nail on the head. We just bred our bitch this past weekend using fresh chilled semen and the breeding alone cost us about $1900 (includes stud fee, semen, shipping, and multiple progesterone tests). We still have all of the other costs associated with pregnancy and puppies (I am excited to play with puppies for the 8wks though!!!). It is incredibly expensive to title dogs in conformation and working/temperament tests. With you breaking it down as you did it reminds me of my dedication to my dogs and to the breed. I do hope that this does open the eyes of the buyer as to how much love, time, dedication, and money it takes to have a well bred puppy from a highly planned breeding.
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:29 PM
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Re: What is in a price?

we paid 900 fo rour male, it was a semi byb... I say semi because the sire was a lovely import from YUK kennel of Milsped... but the female was an untitled girl with so so breeding.... our boy has a few issues with his bite but is otherwise ok..... We just dont want to make the same mistakes we made two years ago again! :-)
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Patience is a virtue!!! True you should take your time. If you can't get to shows or there arent any in the near future..(I think another post'r gave you a show to attend). Just start by calling and talking, best case scenario is to see the breeder up close and in person. To get what you are looking for, you have to create a process of identifying breeders you're considering and then narrow that selection by different factors (type, working ability, conformation/OB male/female, tail on/off). Keeping in mind you have a baby, so if you are looking for a working dog, do you really want an aggressive, hard driving dog around your child?

It could be the pup you really really want, that the breeder prefers not to sell to you. So you should get out there and do your research. Anything can happen, false pregnancies, toxic pregnancy, no males in the litter, or an exceptionally small litter (in number). And you may have to wait longer than expected. I started looking for my pup 5 months ago, and just got him three days ago if that helps you any.

From what you've posted... about what your looking for in your next pup. You're going to spend more than the 900 you dropped for your male. You have to come to grips of what you are willing to pay for what you want?!! I sincerely wish you the best and hope you find that gem of a dog that you are searching for. (p.s. stop listing breeders names in the forums.) Dogs registered names are ok .
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Old 01-20-2010, 10:24 PM
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Re: What is in a price?

Tigerpaw - LOL, Yes, I did not even BEGIN t get into the cost of collecting/shipping/ semen and doing an AI on the bitch - Let alone if it was done via surgical implant for frozen semen......

Luckily when I broke it down, right after, I got to play with 11 strong healthy 2 wk old puppies ( well 2 wks tomorrow ) and it is a good reminder of why it all doesnt matter in the end....

And on a side note, I normally sell my show/pet puppies for the same price if they have no disqualifying fault, as even when placing a show pup I cannot guarantee that the pup will end up being that....I think its fair as ones not really better quality then the rest...they are puppies and will change SO much...
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:05 PM
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Re: What is in a price?

i just spoke to a breeder who is asking 3k for her pups, with a co ownership and first pick of the first litter, and no breeding until the bitch is titled an health checked.... i wish i had 3k!
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:25 PM
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Re: What is in a price?

I also saw prices all over the place. The average I saw when looking was $1200 - $3k with historically titled pedigrees in the over $2k range. One thing a breeder said to me was "do not let a website fool you" (i did a lot of web searching). Some of the fanicest websites can be a byb - they also told me the same thing Geri said a about breeders that import an already titled bitch.
Geri also hit it on the head with the costs involved - show/handler fees alone rake up quickly and heaven forbid something go array during delivery that requires an emergency C section..............ouch. After hearing and reading as much I have (and I've only skimmed the surface) I've realized that good breeders do NOT breed to make money - they truly breed to better the breed.
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Old 01-20-2010, 11:27 PM
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Re: What is in a price?

The average price for my pups is around $1500.00, less for pets and can be a little more if something unusual/special. I have given dogs to people for free and the price does vary on who you are.

I persoanlly wouldn't pay $3K for any 8 weeks old pup, no matter the origin. In the end it is only a small little thing showing potential. It would need to be older than 8 weeks for me to pay $3k. Once you get into the upper levels of breeders it is hard to justify one pup for $2k and another for $3k. For me to spend $2k it would need to be pick male from a semen litter and in real terms the male better either be exceptional in europe/US or dead. For $3k, well I just can't see such a pup existing. Maybe if it is already showing strong civil aggression at 8 weeks, then I'd give you $3k :)

In the end I am not looking to make any real money out of my dogs, I'd like ti not to cost me heaps of money either but if I can break about even I consider myself lucky. I think if I added it up right now I'd be a fair few thousand in the hole. Hope it even out. However in saying that I do tell people pups start at $1500 even though I will often sell it too them for less. i do this as it weeds out a lot of the people I don't want to seel a dog too. If you think you can get the same dog for $300 that you can for $1500 then you have no idea of what a dog is and what it needs and I don't want you owning one of my dogs. However if I like you and think you will do the right thing for the dog I will help get you into one (car salesman anology).

I should also say if you ring me looking for a "Rockwilder" then it is a hard road back for you at this point. The price just jumped to $5k and your left leg.

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