European breeders

[unsung]

Since discussing specific breeders is not allowed here how do people find what breeders are good from overseas? I'm looking at two kennels in Serbia and I have no doubts about one of them yet I don't have much information on the other. Can someone point me in some direction that will help? TIA.

[Xena Rio's Mum]

Why are you looking at Serbia? I'm sure there are plenty of great breeders in your own country.

[unsung]

Because that is what I prefer. It is really that simple.

I'm looking to avoid buying a so called American standard or Roman Rott. I want to buy the breed standard and I want to research kennels from third party reviews to get a fair rating. I want the name on the pedigree.

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Originally Posted by unsung

Since discussing specific breeders is not allowed here how do people find what breeders are good from overseas? I'm looking at two kennels in Serbia and I have no doubts about one of them yet I don't have much information on the other. Can someone point me in some direction that will help? TIA.

I've heard many more stories about bogus titles and health clearances from serbia than from a lot of other countries. What are your plans with the dog you want (work/show?)? Good breeders in any country will want to know what you have accomplished with rotts in the past.

[piddleypooh]

Hello Unsung
My suggestion is to email some USA kennels who have websites of dogs imported from Serbia, or the country you desire a dog from and see if they are willing to share with you some candid opinions about their own experiences. Unlike what many tend to believe, you can get a nice dog from that country from honest breeders, but like with any breeder, the more research you do, and more people you talk to, the more informed you will be about your decision.
In regards to health certifications, there are rumors about false certificates, etc. I was told that many of the breeders take their dogs to a specific hip evaluator who has a large data base of dogs from that country. I believe his name is Denis Novak.

Hope this is some help.

Aloha

[bleh60]

just because you buy a dog in america dosn't make it a 'roman'. Those oversized excuses for a rottweiler can be found in any country with BYBs.

[nanw1966]

I am curious as to why you are looking at Serbia also. I live in Sweden and have seen beautiful Rotties here. Of course they are going to have a tail as docking is against the law. What about Germany? I also agree that in the US, which I am orginally from, has some very fine breeders. You just have to do your research and know what you are looking for

[rottcrazed]

If you take some time and really look in North America, you will find PLENTY of breeders who do not at ALL claim to breed Roman Rottweilers.

I am curious where you are looking - I know dozens of breeders who are ethical, reputable, follow a COE (in both Canada and the US) and yet do not claim to breed Rottweilers ....

Kristi

[Jaidann]

Excuse my ignorance please but what is a Roman Rott?

[moondog]

Originally Posted by Jaidann

Excuse my ignorance please but what is a Roman Rott?

Roman Rott is a sales pitch used by unscrupulous breeders in order to sell grotesque, oversized, mastiffy Rottweilers of questionable heritage in temperament and health to an unknowing public at often exorbitant prices.

[Jaidann]

OH! Thank you for the explanation. By the way, it made me spit my Pepsi

I don't feel so bad now not knowing what such a thing was. Good to know for future "stay away from's" though

[rottcrazed]

Originally Posted by rottcrazed

If you take some time and really look in North America, you will find PLENTY of breeders who do not at ALL claim to breed Roman Rottweilers.

I am curious where you are looking - I know dozens of breeders who are ethical, reputable, follow a COE (in both Canada and the US) and yet do not claim to breed Rottweilers ....

Kristi

Let me correct my final sentence to say yet do not claim to breed ROMAN Rottweilers ....

OOPS ....

Kristi

[unsung]

Originally Posted by bleh60

just because you buy a dog in america dosn't make it a 'roman'. Those oversized excuses for a rottweiler can be found in any country with BYBs.

I didn't say that it did. However many American breeders do not have the breed standard.

I have done my research, but I am not allowed by the rules here to discuss particular breeders. Therefore the kennel I am looking at can't really be mentioned. A Google search will bring them up though. So to accuse me of not doing my research really isn't a valid point, since my results cannot be posted.


I'm sure this website probably has valid reasons as to why particular breeders cannot be discussed. However this limits people from being helped to sort through bad breeders and to find someone reliable and trustworthy.

[Shane]

There are several discussions here on what steps to take to find a good COE breeder.

You say that many American breeders do not have the breed standard. What you're not considering is that many overseas breeders do not either. So there's no real advantage to finding an overseas breeder unless there's a specific bloodline you're interested in.

Also, with a COE American breeder, you do have options if the pup you get doesn't work out. Shipping a dog back to Serbia doesn't seem likely.

Go to some shows in this country and talk to the breeders there. Attend chapter meetings of your nearest ARC or USRC club. Both clubs have breeder directories, and Rottie people are always happy to discuss the pros and cons of a bloodline in person.

All of the information you could possibly need is available on dogs within this country. The OFA database is searchable, so you can check potential breeders' dogs out and their ancestors, siblings, and offspring.

By all means, get a dog from Serbia if that's what you really think you want. But I can't stand by and be told that someone can't find good solid dogs bred to standard in this country, because that just isn't true.

You say you want a name on the pedigree. What kind of name and why? Please don't go that route simply so you can say you have an imported dog. Those who know Rotties are much harder to impress than that.

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Originally Posted by unsung

I didn't say that it did. However many American breeders do not have the breed standard.

I have done my research, but I am not allowed by the rules here to discuss particular breeders. Therefore the kennel I am looking at can't really be mentioned. A Google search will bring them up though. So to accuse me of not doing my research really isn't a valid point, since my results cannot be posted.


I'm sure this website probably has valid reasons as to why particular breeders cannot be discussed. However this limits people from being helped to sort through bad breeders and to find someone reliable and trustworthy.

The fact that you mentioned "Roman" rotts in your post made me think you haven't done enough research in general. Many breeders in many countries do not breed "to the standard". Verifiable health clearances and working titles are always harder to confirm in other countries. How much experience do you have with rotts? Are you planning on going to Serbia to pick out the pup yourself? I would not let a breeder in another country pick out and send me a pup, unless I had someone I knew personally in that country do it, and I would still probably go there and pick it out myself.