European breeders

[GenHannibal]

Don't think you've been looking in the right places. There are a number of breeders who follow the standards. Besides, I question if you even know what the standards are, because if you did, you would know to go to USRC or other Rottweiler related shows held here in the USA. Especially if you are looking for well rounded working and correct confirmation dog.

As others have mentioned, you get all kinds of breeders in every country, some good, some bad. You just have to look in the right places and ask the right questions to find the COE breeders.

[IJF1]

There are good breeders and bad breeders in all countries.

If I was going to the trouble of importing a pup from Europe, Serbia would not be my first choice.

[unsung]

This was probably a loaded question to ask. Yes I am looking at a specific bloodline. No I don't care about trying to impress anyone. Yes I was going to go and pick out my dog. That is the problem with not being able to name specific breeders as I have picked through quite a few.

Thanks for the elitist condescending answers. I'll stick to adding another millionth thread asking about Canidae instead next time.

A real thanks to those who answered in a useful manner.

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by unsung

This was probably a loaded question to ask. Yes I am looking at a specific bloodline. No I don't care about trying to impress anyone. Yes I was going to go and pick out my dog. That is the problem with not being able to name specific breeders as I have picked through quite a few.

Thanks for the elitist condescending answers. I'll stick to adding another millionth thread asking about Canidae instead next time.

A real thanks to those who answered in a useful manner.

I am glad that this forum does not allow the name of specific breeders. Can you imagine what would happen??? What is a good breeder to one person, may be a lousy breeder for the next.
A breeder could be criticized and never get to defend themselves...there is usually two sides to a story.

There are puppy brokers that make money pushing people to buy from certain breeders...they could be lurking here and pushing their puppies. Not the way to buy a puppy.

You've been given good advice....buy a well bred dog here...or get in touch with the Serbian breeder and find out if any of the puppies have been sold to North America. Get in touch with people that have already bought from this breeder...and see if they are happy.

Do your own research and don't rely on someone telling you where to buy from.

Gina

[Shane]

If you think we're elitist and condescending, you should meet the person who came here and implied that all American bred dogs are oversized or out of standard.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by unsung

This was probably a loaded question to ask. Yes I am looking at a specific bloodline. No I don't care about trying to impress anyone. Yes I was going to go and pick out my dog. That is the problem with not being able to name specific breeders as I have picked through quite a few.

Thanks for the elitist condescending answers. I'll stick to adding another millionth thread asking about Canidae instead next time.

A real thanks to those who answered in a useful manner.

I do know a few people here in the US (who have been involved with rotts for MANY years) who have imported dogs from serbia with varying success rates. My purpose in asking you questions was to see if you were aware of all the risks, especially if you plan to go there and pick your pup. For a large investment like that, like I said, I would make sure I knew the breeder VERY well and that I PERSONALLY met (in person) with people who had bought from the breeder. I would confirm all health tests and titles on the parents. For some reason, you chose not to say how much experience you've had with rotts, and what your plans are for the dog. I found that strange. If you have a lot of experience, great. If you don't, it's not a sin...we were all green at one time.

[unsung]

I actually missed your question. My current Rott has European bloodlines from Serbian dogs, and I bought him through an American kennel. His Sire was from one of the top kennels in Europe, and he was imported here a few years back. His Grand Sire was Gonzzo Earl Antonius and his Grand Dam was DM Tinka Vom Hause Anin Sch3. So he is doing ok there.

I also had another Rott that died from Lymphoma last year.

I question why this really matters, is my resume required to ask questions here? I asked about trying to get more information about breeders in a country and instead I get drilled on why I don't want to buy one here? Does it matter? Isn't part of researching to ask questions?

Do I know everything that there is to know about Rottweilers? Nope. That is why I asked the question hoping that someone knew and could help me out. I doubt anyone here knows it all in reality either.

[unsung]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

Do your own research and don't rely on someone telling you where to buy from.

Gina

This is the elitist condescending attitude that I'm talking about. I'm doing research by asking the question from people whom I thought were more knowledgeable than myself on this subject. So are you telling me to not ask questions and to not do research on a Rottweiler website where people talk about the breed?

I also did not ask one time for someone to tell me where to buy my dog from.

[toobad]

There are some pretty trust worthy breeders in Serbia but there are also some that need to feed their families at almost any cost. There are kennels there with 15 foot tall fences FULL of puppies, like puppy factories. They have 4 or 5 or 6 litters all mixed into one pen with no makings on the pups to truly know who is who or who is from who.

When you buy a puppy from there it travels 1000 miles in a car or truck just to get it to an airport and after flying here most don't look very healthy. A trip like that takes it's toll on a young pup BUT depending on who you deal with the pups turn out just fine.

Just about all of the kennels there sell the same thing believe it or not. Trace back in pedigree and after maybe two generations they are all the same dogs.

American kennels breed within the standard, THEY ( in Serbia ) breed maybe to the large side of the standard. You get great heads from Serbia but usually light eyes and maybe hip and heart problems. So many dogs have been brought here from Serbia that you can pretty much buy the same TYPE of puppy right here without the cost of shipping and the big bonus is that most kennels here test their dogs and info is available on the OFA site. There are HUNDREDS of those Serbian imports right here in the U.S. and it isn't hard to find them, just pick up a show catalog from a past German style Sieger show and dogs, breeders, and owners are all listed right there for you.

The catalog ! Use it as a tool. You can see who is breeding what and their results from the shows. When you look at those ratings and see who bred them it will help you.


Ivona Iron Lion came here and looked like a rat at 8 weeks old ( look at her pawvillage page LOL ) . Aleksandar said don't worry the trip is rough and he was right. At 4 months old she went to her first show and got VP-1 and she has never looked back. She gets better every day


When you find a kennel be sure to check health issues with parents. Look at the eyes on the pups, there are a lot of dogs with droopy light eyes coming from Serbia. Look at structure, a lot of dogs with very straight rear legs come from there also.

I think that when all is said and done you are going to find what I said above to be true. ALL those dogs go back to maybe 6 or 8 dogs after a couple of generations and all of those same dogs can be found right here.

Good luck with your puppy search

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by unsung

This is the elitist condescending attitude that I'm talking about. I'm doing research by asking the question from people whom I thought were more knowledgeable than myself on this subject. So are you telling me to not ask questions and to not do research on a Rottweiler website where people talk about the breed?

I also did not ask one time for someone to tell me where to buy my dog from.

Don't know where it is elitist to tell someone to do their own research?? You mentioned a couple of times that it was not allowed to mention breeders here...I told you the reasons.
If you work and train with your own dogs...then you must belong to a club? Why don't you ask members of the club that you train with????

Doing preliminary research on the internet is a good idea...but when you need to know more...it's best to ask the people that have already bought puppies from this breeder. Why would you need the opinions of people you have not met??

Gina

[unsung]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

Why would you need the opinions of people you have not met??

Gina

Because I'm looking for an unbiased opinion as well. Should I base my decision on the opinions of a few or dozens?


The last two replies were exactly what I am looking for, thank you.

[RoseArbour]

It's alot easier to choose a breeding based on pedigree than on a country. What lines are you looking to buy into? That should actually be the line of questioning you ask about, IMO.

[Principium]

Originally Posted by unsung

Since discussing specific breeders is not allowed here how do people find what breeders are good from overseas? I'm looking at two kennels in Serbia and I have no doubts about one of them yet I don't have much information on the other. Can someone point me in some direction that will help? TIA.

Hello, Unsung.

I from Russia. 2,5 years ago I bought females a puppy in one of kennels Serbia.
I searched for the puppy of 6 months, and it was necessary to communicate with many people, as a result I have come to conclusion that factory owners of this country very good and fair people.
I have got a dog in one of the well-known kennels of Serbia and the first choice of a puppy has been given me.
If you have decided to get a dog from Serbia take there!!!
Good luck.