East Coast Stud dogs

[s1960]

Originally Posted by RotDocPA

BISS Rudez and Let Sparks Fly.

??? Thats funny, I know he's done well in conformation but I think that's mostly because of the skill of his handler.Just about everyone prefer's his brother who's also on the west coast.

[Carol Burke]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

Burton (Ravenscrest The Alchemist) has NO working titles, nothing....not even obedience. He's a beautiful dog, but his whole life has been being shown.
Just looked at their website, he's got HIC, CGC, and TDI.

Gina

Beautiful standing, watch him move sometime, it is disappointing, not a stong topline.

[makjamz]

On the topic of the OP discussing East Coast stud dogs. There are plenty with varying characteristics. I prefer not to discuss them at this moment. My condolences to Jerry on his loss of Britto.

The thought of a "cancer free line" is truly nebulous. I believe the greatest precipitating factors influencing the incidence of Cancer are diet, and vaccination protocols. When you observe the bulk of the kibble sold - no matter high or low cost - most contain fillers which are not natural "dog as a carnivore" diet ingredients. This in some dogs' lines, can be a precursor to weakening of the dog's immune system - with the resulting development of certain types of Cancer.

Fortunately this is not prevalent for all dogs - that is why some lines can eat any "no name" kibble and have longevity. But at the end of the day - most dog kibble does not equate to a Natural Dog Diet.

If I had a male or female with 2 or more Hip dysplastic siblings, or any SAS affected siblings - I would not consider breeding same dog.

Being critical and impartial about ones own dogs is an excellent quality in a breeder. Paramount - only the best dogs should be bred. Instead of focusing on stud dog - one should consider the best attributes of a super female, way before lining up the match. Breedings are equally or more dependent on the quality of the female - IMHO.

Mary-Ann Kerrigan
Haus Makjamz Rottweilers

[Weltterr]

Originally Posted by JoJo

I've been following this thread with interest, only because it's "very interesting" to hear what are the thoughts of breeders and what their interests are for the "betterment of the breed". I follow our members accomplishments and follow their sorrows. I cheer them on and cry with them when things go bad. I normally don't publicly say so, but believe you me, I do care. I'm not a breeder, have no interest in being one so obviously I will never be one. I don't have a clue on the "Who's Who list when you all are talking about these stud dogs. But I'm not a complete novice when it comes to understanding genetics and following lineages, (I got that understanding when I was in the "horse business" many moons ago.)

What I'm trying to get the gist of here is that what you are saying Diane is very confusing to me. In fact what you are saying is coming across very hypercritical. You are so concerned about the total makeup of the stud dog that you aren't looking into your own closet. If I was an owner of this "miracle stud dog" I don't think I would want to breed to your bitch. You're asking a lot from the stud, but you are totally missing out on the fact that your pups likely carry that genetic predisposition for cancer. Cancer that has taken both your pup's mother at a young age due to bone cancer and her mother from an aggressive form of cancer in her prime. So don't you think you should consider looking for a new line to start all over with? Why would you even want to breed to these same lines? Also, you sound so down and out in regards to the Rottweiler breed, maybe it's time to move on and find another "healthier" breed?

This is what I'm seeing and I'm the novice here. So what are the "pros" seeing? As you can tell, I have no dog in the show in this whatsoever. I'm just curious to your thought process.

Interesting response - a bit of a tangent I believe. How do you know that this breeder isn't considering what her bitch has to offer? From what I have read so far, she is just looking for input from members on names of potential good stud dogs. She hasn't mentioned her bitch - so how can you know what she has or has not considered regarding the potential dam?

[JoJo]

Interesting response - a bit of a tangent I believe. How do you know that this breeder isn't considering what her bitch has to offer? From what I have read so far, she is just looking for input from members on names of potential good stud dogs. She hasn't mentioned her bitch - so how can you know what she has or has not considered regarding the potential dam?

Tangent you say? I say I'm being upfront and honest. Diane even said in one of her posts that her bitch is just fine. And she probably is, in her eyes. The point that I'm trying to make is that if cancer runs so deep and upfront and personal sort of speaking in her lineage, then she is asking for a lot out of a stud dog but not even considering her own bitch qualities. But you are right, she never did say she was going to use her own bitch, but then again, why ask solely about stud dogs? Why not ask about bitches also as it does take two! So one just assumes.

Makjamz just so graciously stated what I've been trying to say.

Being critical and impartial about ones own dogs is an excellent quality in a breeder. Paramount - only the best dogs should be bred. Instead of focusing on stud dog - one should consider the best attributes of a super female, way before lining up the match. Breedings are equally or more dependent on the quality of the female

Again, I'm not a breeder, but when someone asks for the moon from a stud dog, then one needs to put a microscope on their front door first. Then once that is satisfied, then ask away. As for the cancer, I believe this breed has been bred to death without the consideration of at least striving for clean lines. We will never get cancer conquered, there is always that gleam of hope though, just like for humans. This whole topic could be for anyone breeder, not just Diane.

[Anton]

Originally Posted by JoJo

As for the cancer, I believe this breed has been bred to death without the consideration of at least striving for clean lines. We will never get cancer conquered, there is always that gleam of hope though, just like for humans.

If you can find a "clean" line, please let us know. I for one, would be interested in incorporating that 'good blood' in my breeding program.

The thing is, cancer is not just a "Rottweiler" issue. Cancer is a problem in a great many of the breeds. Is it food ?? Is it environment ?? I would imagine it's a large combination of "all of the above".

So to say that there is a "clean line" is a fallacy. Maybe one day with the research they're doing, but not at this time.

[frontierrots]

re cancer

You think the 70-80% of all Rottweilers getting cancer is bad? Try Flat Coats. My good friend raises them

90++% of them die of some cancer before 6 years old!!!

[kclinch]

Originally Posted by frontierrots

re cancer

You think the 70-80% of all Rottweilers getting cancer is bad? Try Flat Coats. My good friend raises them

90++% of them die of some cancer before 6 years old!!!

Yeah, I have a friend with Flat Coats...what is worse, is they usually don't live past 8-9 yrs of age....

[JoJo]

So to say that there is a "clean line" is a fallacy. Maybe one day with the research they're doing, but not at this time.

I said to "strive for clean lines" I never said there were clean lines. I would think then that ALL COE breeders would want them.

This is getting way off topic and I apologize for that. I just wanted to ask a simple question and it got blown out of proportion. Basically Makjamz answered my question. As to answer your question Weltterr, Diane never said she wasn't using her bitch so if not saying so one would be led to believe she was.

You think the 70-80% of all Rottweilers getting cancer is bad? Try Flat Coats. My good friend raises them

90++% of them die of some cancer before 6 years old!!!

That is young and very sad. It seems that is the magic age for some of our rottweilers too.

[RoseArbour]

Interesting would be to know who has dogs over 10 years of age and what is their 3-gen pedigree? I know this is a bit off topic. If you give me names, I will compile a list online that people can look at.
Better yet, let me start a thread.

[Sportdog]

Hello Does anyone have a working rottweiler stud on the east coast? As far as clean line go their are none all animals that live long enough will develop one kind of cancer or another.

[toobad]

Originally Posted by Sportdog

Hello Does anyone have a working rottweiler stud on the east coast? As far as clean line go their are none all animals that live long enough will develop one kind of cancer or another.

Quite a few great working studs dogs on the East coast.

Karl vom Hause Neubrand
Orka vom Hause Enzian
Golo vom Tweelbaker-See
Carlos von den Golanhohen
Arzadon Zato ( same owner as above )
Djuke vom Vilstaler Land


Just to name a few

[Skip]

Originally Posted by toobad

Quite a few great working studs dogs on the East coast.

Karl vom Hause Neubrand
Orka vom Hause Enzian
Golo vom Tweelbaker-See
Carlos von den Golanhohen
Arzadon Zato ( same owner as above )
Djuke vom Vilstaler Land


Just to name a few

...and here's another one...My boy Shane (V1 again last weekend at the Nationals from a large and very competitive Working Class), and all of his working titles are owner trained.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by toobad

Quite a few great working studs dogs on the East coast.

Karl vom Hause Neubrand
Orka vom Hause Enzian
Golo vom Tweelbaker-See
Carlos von den Golanhohen
Arzadon Zato ( same owner as above )
Djuke vom Vilstaler Land


Just to name a few

Hopefully some of these dogs will be at the Schutzhund Nationals this fall so people can actually see them work. Shane will be there.

[brocozzy]

... What About Nepomuk He Has Strong Show As Well As He Can Get The Work-job Done.............