East Coast Stud dogs

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by poohbearsmom

Cancer of the spleen. It spread to his liver, I believe, but when Jerry told me about it, he was still very understandably upset and having a hard time talking about it.

Not to go off topic again (sorry Diane!) Did your friend have a necropsy done on the pup?

She was also very upset to lose this puppy at 4 weeks of age...and did not want to talk about it. I don't know if she had a necropsy done or not? or what the results were. It could have just been nature's luck?

It's sad to hear about Brito, from all that I have heard about him, he was a really great dog.

Sorry to go off topic, but when the name Brito came up...I was amazed to hear that he had died.

Gina

[frontierrots]

only the good die horrible, nasty deaths. The horrid live forever (people and animals) :(

[toobad]

Originally Posted by targonrotts

so sorry about brito! first news to me. our sympathies to jerry. we were there when he went best of breed in arc nationals orlando, fl 2007.

Very cool that most of the dogs mentioned in this thread were winners at the 2007 ARC show

Best of breed - Brito OD Dragicevica

Winners dog and best of winners - Bilalian Acres Northern Dancer ( Drog )

Award of merit - Avatar's Luck of the Draw


So again it proves my point that my selection is a quality dog and his movement must be right there with the best of them. He beat out over 150 dogs for his awards. I hope my boy follows in his dads footsteps

[akemo'sroyalflush]

What about Gonzzo Earl Antonius? I would also to more Shaka pups. Is cancer of the spleen hereditary?


Chris

[frontierrots]

Gonzzo's owner is currently suspended from AKC and thus no litters can be registered sired by him until suspension is done

RE cancer. Regardless of breeding 70-80% of ALL Rottweilers will be afflicted with some form of cancer before they die. 1 in 8 will get bone cancer. These stats are from several oncologists.

[akemo'sroyalflush]

Really, I have been out of the loop as far as AKC for a couple of years. Gonzzo is a nice boy regardless. I knew cancer was more often but to lose a specimen like Brito hurts the breed.


Chris

[RotDocPA]

Frontierrots and I have discussed this dog before. He doesn't fit all her credentials since his elbows aren't clear but I would like to mention him since he has a great working pedigree for am American dog. Nimbus von Boylan. Belongs to Diane Lane and is being campaigned currently. He is a son of Pico v Hegestrauch going back to Ari v Hertener wappen. He is a confident dog w beautiful effortless movement. His mother is a Dasko sister. May consider a puppy out of him myself or using him in the future.

[targonrotts]

just looking thru my catalogs from shows here in florida and here are a few names of dogs that have been used or up and coming for consideration. some i know they produced nicely, some the pups are still too young, some i am not too familiar with, others not bred yet, but maybe we can get some imput:
ch.acosta's adventures of ivan
ch.von riddle's starman re
ch.ivoss touch the son tt
ch.bernkastel b'mer
ch.darkstarrs past reflections, cd
ch.abraxus agony von jam roc
ch.agresta's photo finish

hope it's not overkill of throwing in names!

[frontierrots]

elbows (for me) don't have to be clear. But they do have to be no greater than a grade 1 DJD. Nimbus' are a grade 2

OTHERWISE he was for sure on my list. People have nothing but good things to say about that boy and they like his owner too (imagine that!) :)

But I truly did not start this thread soley for my benefit, thus I did not mention any criteria

There's a nice boy In NY that seems quite nice Benno vh falconsnest, I even emailed his owner again. But then the pedigree has a couple dogs I'm not keen on so he's likely out for me, BUT people say LOTS of nice things about this dog

[Anton]

It's really hard to find a stud dog right now (besides my own boys ). Especially when you've done an outcross, and want to go back the next generation and do a line breeding.

Besides good health and a good temperament, a dog that I breed to has to have two other important things:

1) Longevity !!
2) Not used at stud more than 15 times within a 10 year period.

I have 3 stud dogs on my list who meet my criteria. 2 have already passed, and one is currently 11 or 12. The 2 that passed lived to be 12+ years old, and their owners were very selective in the frequency of their use (which I appreciate greatly).

I look forward to using these boys in the next couple of years, then taking something from that back to my own dogs (Boone, Quaid, Jaxon or Kong).

[RotDocPA]

How about working ability? Does anyone mandate either a working title on the male(I don't mean a CD) or immediate background? I have one friend doing a breeding where there is only a couple of working titles in 4 generations and they are in the back. Or is it easier to pick a pretty creampuff knowing you probably won't get a puppy back. A number of my friends want very laid back and look horrified w respect to Dasko because he throws strong personalities. This came up when I mentioned looking at a Dasko daughter. Has anyone backed off from working lines because of these issues when picking a stud dog. Do most of your friends want easy and placeable?

[Skip]

Originally Posted by RotDocPA

. Has anyone backed off from working lines because of these issues when picking a stud dog. ?

In my opinion (and is the opinion of most of my friends), the working side is even more important then the conformation side. I've been told by many that it is relatively easy to fix conformation issues in breeding, but very hard to bring back good working genes after they keep getting watered down.

[frontierrots]

I think there should be a happy medium in drive. I like a dog with good work ethic that wants to do "stuff" and not just be a floor ornament; however I don't want to go too much the other way either because I want all my pups to be safe for the average family of 4 to live with, train and love. Driven is fine as long as they have an off switch and are mentally sound.

As far as titles on breeding dogs, personaly a CH is pretty low on my list. I've been at this long enough to know what I want a dog to look like and move like. I want to either see the dog personally doing "something work like" or have him have a few titles. Again I'm not likely to pick a dog whose ONLY titles are SCH 3, IPO 3 because I want a nice balance for family life. Now a SCH 3, CD, RE, CGC, TD would likely excite me :) But I won't dump a dog with no titles either if I like his look, background (health and pedigree) and his own health, soundness and brain

[Carol Burke]

Originally Posted by RotDocPA

How about working ability? Does anyone mandate either a working title on the male(I don't mean a CD) or immediate background? I have one friend doing a breeding where there is only a couple of working titles in 4 generations and they are in the back. Or is it easier to pick a pretty creampuff knowing you probably won't get a puppy back. A number of my friends want very laid back and look horrified w respect to Dasko because he throws strong personalities. This came up when I mentioned looking at a Dasko daughter. Has anyone backed off from working lines because of these issues when picking a stud dog. Do most of your friends want easy and placeable?

This is a very interesting post and opens up a whole new can of worms. We are inundated with BSL and discrimination against our breed, so what is one to do? In order to breed that famous dog many breeders will breed litter after litter to get that one nearly perfect special and where do all the not so perfect puppies go? Many of our true working dogs are a little "hot" for an inexperienced owner and allowing inexperienced people to buy puppies that are likely to be a handful does NOT help the breed unless the breeder is willing to take on the responsibility of teaching the new owners how to bring up the puppy. I'm sure it is easier to breed softer temperaments for easier sale of puppies, but this is wrong as you are not breeding for the whole Rottweiler, you are changing temperament in order to make sales.

Yes, Dasko has a reputation of being tough, but so what, that doesn't mean he is nuts or has bad temperament. If he provides what you need you should breed to him or change your breed of choice to something softer. I truly believe that every dog bred should be able to work, some people are so caught up in the beauty pagent that is the AKC confirmation ring that the ability to work is ignored and if we ignore it long enough it will be gone.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Carol Burke

.... or change your breed of choice to something softer. I truly believe that every dog bred should be able to work, some people are so caught up in the beauty pagent that is the AKC confirmation ring that the ability to work is ignored and if we ignore it long enough it will be gone.

very much agree with this.