We will be breeding them when they are old enough

[gaileena]

I have 3 rotties 6 yr. female (spay) 8 month male unaltered, 7 month female unaltered, we will be breeding them when they are old enough, but my question is, do I have to keep the 6 yr old away from both of them when my female comes in season? Don't know if the male will be aggressive with her, or if the female will be aggressive with her? Or if either? I thought I would ask the professionals, my first time. Thank you for any help you may give me with this issue.

[observer]

I am not the expert on a multiple dog household, but I don't think the spayed 6 year old is going to create any problems.

However, to expand the subject a little bit, I hope you have been reading here long enough to know what you need to do before you even THINK about breeding those two youngsters. Assuming you got them from their breeders, I question the quality and ethics of those breeders, since truly ethical breeders will not sell a pup to someone that already has one pup in the house, or plans to. What titles and certifications do these pups' ancestors have?

[mac 2]

Originally Posted by gaileena

I have 3 rotties 6 yr. female (spay) 8 month male unaltered, 7 month female unaltered, we will be breeding them when they are old enough, but my question is, do I have to keep the 6 yr old away from both of them when my female comes in season? Don't know if the male will be aggressive with her, or if the female will be aggressive with her? Or if either? I thought I would ask the professionals, my first time. Thank you for any help you may give me with this issue.

you must have a death wish asking that question on here i suggest you read the threads on breeding just a word of warning

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by gaileena

I have 3 rotties 6 yr. female (spay) 8 month male unaltered, 7 month female unaltered, we will be breeding them when they are old enough, but my question is, do I have to keep the 6 yr old away from both of them when my female comes in season? Don't know if the male will be aggressive with her, or if the female will be aggressive with her? Or if either? I thought I would ask the professionals, my first time. Thank you for any help you may give me with this issue.

Please tell me that you will be breeding when they are not only old enough?...but when both dogs have conformation titles and obedience or some sort of working titles as well as hip, elbow, eyes and heart certifications on BOTH dogs?
Only a BYB would get a male and female puppy to breed to.
Please read this thread:
http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/bre...nice-pets.html

Also read all of the "stickies" in the Breeding forum.
Unless you plan on getting both dogs titled and health certified and both of the dogs pedigrees would work well in the breeding...have them both spayed and neutered and you will not have to worry about heats and keeping everyone separated.
You may have problems keeping two bitches under the same roof...and may need to keep them separated because of bitch fights. If you spay her life may be easier and they may all get along.

Gina

[roscoe]

Originally Posted by mac 2

you must have a death wish asking that question on here i suggest you read the threads on breeding just a word of warning

Question, what is your point posting this reply.

My advice, don't ask support why your still a novice member after 263 posts, I'll refer you back to this response.

[rottcrazed]

Depends on both of the bitches really and you won't know until youngster is in season.

The male will likely try to breed both girls, even the spayed bitch, which will more than likely make her want to 'eat' him (ie... tell him to back off in dog language).

Ultimately, this is going to be a sticky situation for you, it may be smooth sailing or it may not. You need to be prepared to have all 3 dogs separated for a full month, perhaps longer.

Not easy .... you just need to be prepared for anything.

Kristi

[gaileena]

Originally Posted by mac 2

you must have a death wish asking that question on here i suggest you read the threads on breeding just a word of warning

I am new to this whole new world, and I guess I am kind of offended to your response. I asked for professional suggestions, not criticism.

[gaileena]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

Please tell me that you will be breeding when they are not only old enough?...but when both dogs have conformation titles and obedience or some sort of working titles as well as hip, elbow, eyes and heart certifications on BOTH dogs?
Only a BYB would get a male and female puppy to breed to.
Please read this thread:
http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/bre...nice-pets.html

Also read all of the "stickies" in the Breeding forum.
Unless you plan on getting both dogs titled and health certified and both of the dogs pedigrees would work well in the breeding...have them both spayed and neutered and you will not have to worry about heats and keeping everyone separated.
You may have problems keeping two bitches under the same roof...and may need to keep them separated because of bitch fights. If you spay her life may be easier and they may all get along.

Gina

Yes, we have already talked with our vet about getting all health certifications before breeding, and they are both registered akc, along with their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents, we have all their background. But, this is just something we thought about doing, not sure that we will. Just wanted to get some good advice from people who have done this before, and their thoughts. Some of the replies I have received have been good, and some not so kind, don't know if I will post again. Thank you for your response. I appreciate your help.

[crazyonehuh]

Originally Posted by gaileena

I am new to this whole new world, and I guess I am kind of offended to your response. I asked for professional suggestions, not criticism.

I have to agree with you on this. Criticism is so easy to dish out before one knows any facts. I was put on the defense minutes after I started reading responses to threads several weeks ago.
This is a testy subject (BYB)!!! But with regaurds to asking for a professional opinion... stick to your local vet with whom you have experience with already. We are just fun loving Rott owners and our opinions cant be concidered "Professional"

[gaileena]

Thank you so much for the pleasant response, it only takes one bad apple to spoil it for everyone, I thought I would like this chatting with other rottie lovers such as my self, but when you get responses like that, it makes me turn away to another source. Once again thank you for your response.

[fbkeays]

I have been a member of this forum since 2001. A few years ago I mentioned something about breeding my male. My dogs are in my sig line. If anyone took the time to actually look, they would have seen that my dogs are well titled front and back and had health certs done.
I got slammed on so many sides and was told to just neuter my male. My dog's pedigree was questioned (granted from my sig line it is hard to tell that he comes from an excellent pedigree and his father was BOB at WKC), was told that breeding my byb dog would just make me a byb'er. Just about all of the people that ripped me a new one for even mentioning breeding were all novice or new members. I was highly offended at what I was called and what these people inferred about my dogs and MY character.
Now I am planning on breeding my female. Since it will be done AI, no backyards are going to be part of the breeding. I do happen to know that some of the best live breedings are done in the backyard. That is because it is not always approprate to do it on the front porch or sidewalk.
As for the OP question, it really depends on the individual dogs. I know that my neutered male has been trying to breed my female when she comes into heat and has issued death threats to my intact male. We had to do a three way seperation for the safety of all concerned. I really don't know how it would be with an older spayed bitch instead of an older neutered male.

[Valentine]

Best advice I can give you is....

Do more than a "vet check up"...any vet will tell you that your dogs are "healthy" enough to breed...if they're moving, breathing and eating well, the vet will give you the OK.

DO NOT breed them before the age of two ....two reasons

1) They are not mentally mature (or physically) to be producing litters. It would have a huge impact on the female (mentally AND physically!!!!). It is like allowing a 14 year old girl to have a baby just because she had her first "cycle". The girl is "able" to conceive, but not NEARLY mentally ready to have a child and raise it...she didn't even get to experience teen-hood yet!! Still a child, inside and out...same goes for a female dog. So you maybe need to skip 2-3 heats before she is ready. (It will NOT be easy keeping them separated!! many sleepless nights!!!)

2) You cannot get heath certifications on either dog until they are 24 months old...and NO, pre-lims cannot guarantee you anything.


Another reason to think long and hard about breeding is about conformation. They are babies right now, when they are two years old, they could be TOTALLY different dogs (looks wise). Ask any breeder here, no pup will ever stay the same conformationally. You do not want to be breeding conformationally incorrect dogs now do you? You can't tell if they are correct or not, only a show ring judge can....just because they look good to you, doesn't mean they could win a show...beauty is in the eyes of the beholder...

You want to better the breed? Well think long and hard about what you are doing here...it's not about the money you might make, or the pups you "might" get, because it's really a roll of the dice. You need to study the peds of both these dogs, and consider the health certs done on parents/ grandparents....What if there is a genetic illness down the line you do not know about because they did not test them for it? One of your pups turns up sick at 20 months old, what are you going to do? Turn a blind eye? How would you explain it?

What if the bitch turns out to be a bad match for your male? Are you going to breed them anyways? What will you do with the female? (spay her i hope....)

Remember when you become a breeder, you are taking the responsibility of EVERY pup produced and EVERY home they go to! Choosing homes is not easy! You don't want them going to just ANY home...this is not a "first come, first serve kinda thing, you have to match the puppy to the potential owner, you can't just let the person choose the cutest one (a breeder can chime in here about this....)

Are you willing to take back pups that don't work out with the new owners? What if one has a genetic illness? You are legally responsible for that dog...You produced it, and to turn the person away could mean trouble...and I mean your reputation!

Health test these pups (OFA, CERF etc), title these pups (conformation, obedience etc), and most of all, consider their futures...not them making puppies...but they could be the best damn dogs you ever owned....it's all up to you...

[mac 2]

Originally Posted by gaileena

I am new to this whole new world, and I guess I am kind of offended to your response. I asked for professional suggestions, not criticism.

Sorry Gaileena, If I offended you I should have made myself more clear. I was replying to the part of the thread where you said you were going to breed your 2 dogs when they get old enough. This usually causes a stir in the forum as it comes under byb. Sorry again . No insult intended.

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by gaileena

Yes, we have already talked with our vet about getting all health certifications before breeding, and they are both registered akc, along with their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents, we have all their background. But, this is just something we thought about doing, not sure that we will. Just wanted to get some good advice from people who have done this before, and their thoughts. Some of the replies I have received have been good, and some not so kind, don't know if I will post again. Thank you for your response. I appreciate your help.

Your vet cannot do all of the health certifications. They can take the x-rays for the hips and elbows and then they must be sent to the OFA Orthopedic Foundation for Animals, the eyes must be done at a CERT clinic and the heart certified by a heart specialist.

Just because your dogs are registered by the AKC does not mean they are breedable. What have they got to contribute to the breed? How do you know they are worthy of breeding? Unless you take them into shows and test them in obedience or working venues...then they are just pretty dogs in your eyes.

Many of us are critical here of people wanting to breed their dogs, because we are involved in rescue. We clean up the mess that people make "breeding their nice dogs". There are not enough good homes, and shelters and rescues are full all of the time. Are you prepared to take back any puppy that you produce? anytime?

Anyone can throw two dogs together and produce puppies....but this does not help the breed. Many places have BSL in place....and one day we may not be able to own this breed.

Please re-think your plans of breeding....or find a mentor and start learning...all there is to know about the breed. Find the faults of your male and your female...learn all of the things that can go wrong with whelping. We have members here that have lost the mother and all her pups giving birth.

Unless your dogs have all of their health certifications as well as conformation titles and working titles....if you breed your dogs you will be a BYB.

Gina

[gaileena]

Originally Posted by mac 2

Sorry Gaileena, If I offended you I should have made myself more clear. I was replying to the part of the thread where you said you were going to breed your 2 dogs when they get old enough. This usually causes a stir in the forum as it comes under byb. Sorry again . No insult intended.

I except that apology, I guess I should of been a little clearer myself about my intentions, just wanted to know the safety precautions for my rotties, when my female comes in season, not sure on the breeding, but as for now they are both unaltered. That is where my concerns come in with my older female who is altered? Breeding is alot of work, and I am still a busy parent with 2 teenage boys in college, and high school, plus I work full-time. Just wanted a little input from people with a little more knowledge than myself about rottie issues, when coming in season. I have never had a dog unaltered, so this is something new for me. Once again, I have done alot of research on all the health guarantees, which when they are old enough, I will do, regardless if they are breed, or not. Thank you for taking the time to explain what your comment meant. I also understand, and respect everyones concerns with byb's, I rescued my older rottie when she was a puppy. Rotties are not for everyone, unfortunately there are some people out there that look at rotties alot different than people like us. They are to be loved and treated just like any other breed, even if it/s a poodle. Just because they are big, strong, muscle machines as some people quote, I don't believe in treating them as a machine. Thank you again.