How Can I find Pedigree Information

[Weily4Life]

I have read some of the other threads re: Pedigrees and what the the real pedigree certificates look like, etc. I have a few papers for Fozzy, one that says Certificate of Pedigree at the top, left side, and then at the bottom Researched from the American Kennel Club Stud Book Register. I went to AKC's web site and did a search for the AKC number and came up with nothing for Fozzy. But that was not her name at birth. I was able to pull up the Sire and Dam Blevins. Then realized that the AKC number for Fozzy was a litter number. So entered that with Blevins and came up with 11 names and numbers. Would all of those names be for Fozzy and 10 siblings? Is there any way to know what her name was at birth?

[sophie's-mom]

what is the number you have for fozzy? you should be able to pull up your dog by the NUMBER...not the name on the akc website.

if the number you have isn't in the akc database i would suspect that you have false documents on your dog. did you ever receive the registration papers for this dog?

ACTUALLY, the number that brought up results sounds like the number you need BUT...the breeder (i'm not sure where you got your dog but i am beginning to wonder) should have given you paperwork for the dog NUMBER for fozzy...such at if he was the first dog he would be number /01...if he was the second dog he would be number /02...etc.

[rutylr]

Originally Posted by Weily4Life

I have read some of the other threads re: Pedigrees and what the the real pedigree certificates look like, etc. I have a few papers for Fozzy, one that says Certificate of Pedigree at the top, left side, and then at the bottom Researched from the American Kennel Club Stud Book Register. I went to AKC's web site and did a search for the AKC number and came up with nothing for Fozzy. But that was not her name at birth. I was able to pull up the Sire and Dam Blevins. Then realized that the AKC number for Fozzy was a litter number. So entered that with Blevins and came up with 11 names and numbers. Would all of those names be for Fozzy and 10 siblings? Is there any way to know what her name was at birth?

Use the litter number but add 01,02 etc after the number.Enter each one in the AKC data base and see what or if all the puppys from her litter were registered with AKC.You are not going to know for sure which one is her unless someone gives you her registered name.You will just know it's one of them.
You can look up dogs on the AKC site by number or name.But the name has to be spelled exactly right.
Plus sometimes papers get lost in the mail and you might end up with a higher number.My dog Kendall in 19 in the litter and there were not 19 puppies in the litter.

[Weily4Life]

The only number I can find that seems to apply is WP940839/06. I must have been in the wrong area, because when I typed tried entering just the number, even for the sire and dam there were no results until I entered there name.

Some background here:

We got Fozzy at 3 y.o. from my step-son...long story short...she wasn't working out for them.
He got Fozzy from a Pet-store in Cincinnati, supposedly she was given by someone to an older women where she wasn't working out.

The papers that I have:

Health Record:

AKC Dog Registration Application, which gives the Sire - Zues Big Boy Blevins and Dam - Elizabeth Lizie Blevins, along with their numbers. This paper also gives the litter number WP940839/06. On the back of the AKC app. is the name of the new owner. Stapled to the app is a Supplemental Transfer Statement signed by that owner (now former owner) with the Pet Store listed as the new owner, along with the Litter number listed, date of transfer, etc.

There is another Supplemental Transfer Statement only dated when my step-son acquired Fozzy.

Warranty paper: from the company, which I assume owns the Pet store - Company and pet store are not the same name. This is dated the same date step-son purchased Fozzy. This includes Sire & Dam name and numbers, breeders names etc., date of birth Litter #, blah, blah, blah.

Certificate of Pedigree: Researched as stated in first post, by Iowa Pedigree, and individuals name, address and then states for: names the Kennel, and gives the address.

I looked again at the list of results that came up on the AKC search, looking closer 7 of the registration numbers begin with WP, 3 of them begin with WG, and 1 begins with WR. But none of the complete Reg. Numbers even seem close to the Litter #.

Of course I have no idea what all this means. Is it a great paper trail and our step-son had been duped.

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by Weily4Life

...We got Fozzy at 3 y.o. from my step-son...He got Fozzy from a Pet-store...

Say no more and don't waste your time looking for any paperwork on Fozzy.

If Fozzy did indeed come from a pet store, Fozzy is virtually certain to be the product of a miller.

A puppy mill owned and operated by a miller.

If you don't know what this means, Google puppy mills.

[Weily4Life]

Originally Posted by AngelBunny

Say no more and don't waste your time looking for any paperwork on Fozzy.

If Fozzy did indeed come from a pet store, Fozzy is virtually certain to be the product of a miller.

A puppy mill owned and operated by a miller.

If you don't know what this means, Google puppy mills.

Before posting here I had read the stickies about puppy mills, and BYB's, etc and read articles from google search on puppy mills. Saw what real certificates looked like and started wondering...so pulled Fozzy's "papers" yesterday that I hadn't looked at since we took her in on 10/02/02.

Puppy Mills:
Yeah that's probably why Fozzy switched hands so much. Breeder's DOB 10/23/99; New Owner 12/29/99; Pet Store 01/04/00; Step-son 01/14/00, whom was told by the pet store "this older woman didn't want her because she realized that the dog would be to big for her because of her large paws." WHAT A LIE.

Anyway, rather than searching AKC.org I went a different route. In the past I googled the breeders and always came up blank.

This morning I googled the Kennel name, which initially appeared to be that of the breeders because they are both stated on the Health Record, (all the documents are somewhat confusing) and got a link to MerchantCircle with the Kennel name and a comment/review from a rescuer in Indiana referring to this MO kennel as a puppy miller "disgusting and vile".


I also did a search for the name of the "new owner" before she transferred to the Ohio pet store and found references to this guy being a "broker".

It makes me sad to think that Fozzy was probably one of those waiting her turn for the auction block.

On a positive note, we are very fortunate that Fozzy has never had any health issues. Although, last spring she did blow a cruciate ligament at 7-1/2 years of age (I think this is good to have lasted this long). She has a very good temperament and probably was mothered well, because she mothers are other Rottie. Her only fault is the wavy hair on the back of her neck and the top of her back.

[lgslgs]

I just did two searches, and they would seem to imply that your hunches about Fozzy are probably right.

The first search was in the OFA data base. I did a search on the name "Blevins" in any part of the dog's name. Hopefuly this link works for you: OFA: Search Results

You can see there are several Blevins dogs of various breeds in the data base, but only one OFA'd Blevins Rottweiler. That was for a dog born in 1982.


The second search was on Paw Village, again looking for all dogs, any breed, that use the name Blevins as part of their registerd name. I can't get the results page to link up right, but you can repeat the search here. PawVillage.com & the Online Pedigree Database (tm)

That gave only two Rottweiler who do not have pedigree info, but each have some registered offspring listed. One of the two Rotties does have the dreaded "K" kennel name at the start of his registered name. That doesn't mean that Fozzie is a K dog, but I would interpret it as more likely meaning that some obscure relative of his had a date with a K dog and made a K/Blevins puppy back in 1984.


I think the telling thing about the info you have so far is that sire and dam have "Blevins" tagged on, kennel name style, but you can only one rottie with Blevins in their name on the OFA site - and it isn't them. Really, any Rottie breeder (even a BYB) of the past 20 years should at least have had hips OFA'd - so these Blevins dogs seem to be part of a "we have two nice dogs" breeding progam instead of one carefully planned to improve the breed.

I'm glad that Fozzy is finally settled in a lifetime home that will give her all the love she deserves. Thank goodness her days of revolving door homes are over.

Lynda

[rutylr]

Originally Posted by AngelBunny

Say no more and don't waste your time looking for any paperwork on Fozzy.

If Fozzy did indeed come from a pet store, Fozzy is virtually certain to be the product of a miller.

A puppy mill owned and operated by a miller.

If you don't know what this means, Google puppy mills.

Just because a dog comes from a puppy mill or BYB doesn't mean they don't need to know where she came from.
All Rottweilers came from the same stock,lots of really bad pedigrees come from good dogs.
Adding her parents to pawvillage and doing a pedigree on them would be easy.
It just takes a bit of know how.
Would be glad to add her and them for you.

[rutylr]

Found this so far
Elizabeth Lizie Blevins

[sophie's-mom]

Originally Posted by Weily4Life

I looked again at the list of results that came up on the AKC search, looking closer 7 of the registration numbers begin with WP, 3 of them begin with WG, and 1 begins with WR. But none of the complete Reg. Numbers even seem close to the Litter #.

Any dog registered in the working group, their registration will begin with "W". After all the numbers (looks like 6 numbers) are used in a SERIES...as in WP999999...the second letter goes to an "R".

That is the signaficance of the second letter...first letter is GROUP...second letter HOW MANY litters in that group registered for that series.

My dog's sire's registration number is WP748534/01 so that means that he was in the seven hundred forty eight thousand five hundred and thirty fourth WORKING LITTER registered in that letter seried (P).

Mind boggling, isn't it.

[Weily4Life]

Originally Posted by lgslgs

I just did two searches, and they would seem to imply that your hunches about Fozzy are probably right.

I'm glad that Fozzy is finally settled in a lifetime home that will give her all the love she deserves. Thank goodness her days of revolving door homes are over.

Lynda

Lynda,

Thanks for the additional information. I found it quite interesting with the look on Paw Village there was no information for Zues Big Boy..., only Elizabeth Lizie....

It does not matter where Fozzy came from, I was just really interested in whether or not it was a reputable breeder or not.

We are glad Fozzy is settled with us also. She is the reason I fell in love with the breed. She is so intelligent and easy to train and so good around people of all ages. I never considered owning a Rottweiler prior to her entering our lives.

I have to tell this story. It is almost as if she knew her fate the day we brought her home had we not taken her.

We were visiting my step-son and his GF in Cincinnati. We went for breakfast, when we returned the apartment was a mess. Fozzy had knocked over the trash, counter-surfed the 9 x 13 pyrex pan of brownies-eating them all - GF had just made that morning. She relieved herself in a number of places and also knocked over a glass of red kool-aid that was sitting on the bedroom floor near a yellow blouse. Of course, neither the son or GF were pleased to see the mayhem, but the final straw was the stained yellow blouse.

It broke my heart to see there reaction to something that was their fault. Fozzy was swatted and I was able point her to under the table for protection. Then, I heard the GF holler from the bedroom, OK that's it, we all know where Fozzy is going in the morning. After some of the discussion, I couldn't stand it any longer so went out on the patio and cried. Fozzy soon followed me and turned herself so she sat on my feet. She looked up at me with tears in her eyes, as if to say, "don't let this happen."

I apologize for digressing here. Back to topic...

Thanks for all the help in finding more info on Fozzy's background.

Dawn

[lgslgs]

Originally Posted by Weily4Life

It broke my heart to see there reaction to something that was their fault. Fozzy was swatted and I was able point her to under the table for protection. Then, I heard the GF holler from the bedroom, OK that's it, we all know where Fozzy is going in the morning. After some of the discussion, I couldn't stand it any longer so went out on the patio and cried. Fozzy soon followed me and turned herself so she sat on my feet. She looked up at me with tears in her eyes, as if to say, "don't let this happen."

I apologize for digressing here. Back to topic...

I think the rescues can be pretty smart about recognizing their forever owner at first site.

My first rescue was Guinness, who the breeder bought back from a home that was conviced he was a dangerous dog, and who was certainly mistraining him into becoming one.

I drove 6 hours to meet him, not knowing if I'd adopt him or not. Within 10 minutes of getting there I had been adopted by him, and he wanted nothing more than to start showing me that he was going to be my loyal boy. I used to love the way veterinarians would stare at me in utter disbelief when I told them he was a "dangerous dog" rescue.

Thank goodness Fozzy found you. There is such a beautiful dignity in a rescue dog who finds their forever home, hard to describe to those who haven't seen it first hand - but I bet you know it well. They seem to know they can let the past stay in the past, because today they are in the best place in the world.


Lynda

[lgslgs]

Originally Posted by Weily4Life

I found it quite interesting with the look on Paw Village there was no information for Zues Big Boy..., only Elizabeth Lizie....

I think it was Rutylr that found that information and made the entry today. Perhaps someone else might be able to find more and get it entered at Paw Village for you.

Lynda

[harleychik66]

Originally Posted by Weily4Life

Lynda,



It does not matter where Fozzy came from, I was just really interested in whether or not it was a reputable breeder or not.

We are glad Fozzy is settled with us also. She is the reason I fell in love with the breed. She is so intelligent and easy to train and so good around people of all ages. I never considered owning a Rottweiler prior to her entering our lives.

I have to tell this story. It is almost as if she knew her fate the day we brought her home had we not taken her.

We were visiting my step-son and his GF in Cincinnati. We went for breakfast, when we returned the apartment was a mess. Fozzy had knocked over the trash, counter-surfed the 9 x 13 pyrex pan of brownies-eating them all - GF had just made that morning. She relieved herself in a number of places and also knocked over a glass of red kool-aid that was sitting on the bedroom floor near a yellow blouse. Of course, neither the son or GF were pleased to see the mayhem, but the final straw was the stained yellow blouse.

It broke my heart to see there reaction to something that was their fault. Fozzy was swatted and I was able point her to under the table for protection. Then, I heard the GF holler from the bedroom, OK that's it, we all know where Fozzy is going in the morning. After some of the discussion, I couldn't stand it any longer so went out on the patio and cried. Fozzy soon followed me and turned herself so she sat on my feet. She looked up at me with tears in her eyes, as if to say, "don't let this happen."

Dawn

And the rest is history.....

What a touching story. Fozzy is so LUCKY to have you in her life and I'm sure you feel the same way.

[rutylr]

Originally Posted by Weily4Life

Thanks for the additional information. I found it quite interesting with the look on Paw Village there was no information for Zues Big Boy..., only Elizabeth Lizie....
Dawn

I added her and will add him when I'm done with her 5 generation pedigree.
I can only look up 25 dogs a day on AKC so will add all.
Then you can add Fozzy with a picture of her