Male unable to complete the task

[stinsony]

I am new to this site and wanted to introduce....I am the proud owner of 2 Rottie's...
Our girl is 6 and her name is LuvyG - she is American and German bred, 140lbs of LOVE....
Our boy is almost 2, he is AKC German and his full kennel name is "ThunderValley's Righteous Mister Mink"...he is a joy....we thought at first we would have some issues with him, but he is just the spunkiest thing!
The two really get along well and I just love spending time with them.....I have so much fun playing and even just sitting and reading with them near....I would not have any other dog.

I do have a question, and if anyone out there gets this to answer, maybe you can help us out.

Luvy has gone into heat about 2 times since Mister Mink has been "trying" to complete his task....We were hoping since he will be 2 May 9th that this last heat he would have accomplished our puppy hope....but not..
What do we need to do to get this accomplished, it isnt like he isnt trying, but seems he just doesnt stay there long enough and I dont believe they have ever "locked"...Anyone have any advice on what to do for the next heat? We want some puppies before Luvy gets too old and possibly just one liter will be fine...

Thank you and I am so happy to join this group.

[toobad]

OH MY

The first thing anyone is going to tell you is to make sure your dogs are breedable and ask if they have been health tested. Then they are going to ask why you want to breed them. Then they will probably ask if either of them has a title of any kind. IF you answer ALL of those questions honestly and to their liking , someone may give some advice.

Is he a Jared pup ?

[rottcrazed]

Well, that explains it all.

I replied in your other thread, but you should be preparing your 'flame suit' right now.

Your 140lb bitch should never be bred, never mind the fact that your male has no libido. She is larger than most oversized males, so unforunately, you are trying to improve the breed, whether you want to believe it or not.

Kristi

[Shelby427]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? 140lb BITCH!? She's waaaay over weight or waaaay overstandard and should NEVER, EVER be bred. Check out your other thread you started. You will not find support here. Do you even know the standard for rotties? I'm guessing no since you're BRAGGING about your HUGE bitch. Bitches are only supposed to be around 80lbs. Males generally 115lbs so your female is waaay too big for her health.

[s1960]

Originally Posted by stinsony

I am new to this site and wanted to introduce....I am the proud owner of 2 Rottie's...
Our girl is 6 and her name is LuvyG - she is American and German bred, 140lbs of LOVE....
Our boy is almost 2, he is AKC German and his full kennel name is "ThunderValley's Righteous Mister Mink"...he is a joy....we thought at first we would have some issues with him, but he is just the spunkiest thing!
The two really get along well and I just love spending time with them.....I have so much fun playing and even just sitting and reading with them near....I would not have any other dog.

I do have a question, and if anyone out there gets this to answer, maybe you can help us out.

Luvy has gone into heat about 2 times since Mister Mink has been "trying" to complete his task....We were hoping since he will be 2 May 9th that this last heat he would have accomplished our puppy hope....but not..
What do we need to do to get this accomplished, it isnt like he isnt trying, but seems he just doesnt stay there long enough and I dont believe they have ever "locked"...Anyone have any advice on what to do for the next heat? We want some puppies before Luvy gets too old and possibly just one liter will be fine...

Thank you and I am so happy to join this group.

Wow, 140!!! How about posting some pics?

[poohbearsmom]

Originally Posted by stinsony

I am new to this site and wanted to introduce....I am the proud owner of 2 Rottie's...
Our girl is 6 and her name is LuvyG - she is American and German bred, 140lbs of LOVE....
Our boy is almost 2, he is AKC German and his full kennel name is "ThunderValley's Righteous Mister Mink"...he is a joy....we thought at first we would have some issues with him, but he is just the spunkiest thing!
The two really get along well and I just love spending time with them.....I have so much fun playing and even just sitting and reading with them near....I would not have any other dog.

I do have a question, and if anyone out there gets this to answer, maybe you can help us out.

Luvy has gone into heat about 2 times since Mister Mink has been "trying" to complete his task....We were hoping since he will be 2 May 9th that this last heat he would have accomplished our puppy hope....but not..
What do we need to do to get this accomplished, it isnt like he isnt trying, but seems he just doesnt stay there long enough and I dont believe they have ever "locked"...Anyone have any advice on what to do for the next heat? We want some puppies before Luvy gets too old and possibly just one liter will be fine...

Thank you and I am so happy to join this group.

Libido is key to survival of any species. If he can't get it up, there's likely a genetic component involved, and therefore, I would recommend not doing the deed. Weakening a breed just for the sake of getting pups is not what a good breeding program is all about. Others are very likely to chime in and let you know what a good breeding program is about, I'll leave it to them and simply answer your question...

As well, sometimes males who are 'reared' by an older female are too submissive with her to her to get the deed done. Again, breeding a dog without sufficient sex drive would be weakening the breed.

In the case of my oldest dog, it was genetic. He is related to Jared. LOL.

[s1960]

So quick to blame the Male. A couple less milkbones might make Luvy a little more interesting.

[observer]

You should count your lucky stars that there are yet no pups from this "ill-conceived" (pardon the unintended pun) idea. These dogs have no business being bred. The bitch is grossly out of standard, and neither she nor the male has been proven in any way. If you had spent ANY time reading here before you posted, you would have known exactly what the responses here would be to your plan and your "problem".

[stinsony]

Originally Posted by toobad

OH MY

The first thing anyone is going to tell you is to make sure your dogs are breedable and ask if they have been health tested. Then they are going to ask why you want to breed them. Then they will probably ask if either of them has a title of any kind. IF you answer ALL of those questions honestly and to their liking , someone may give some advice.

Is he a Jared pup ?

Yes, as a matter of fact his father is Jared...and Mister has been health tested. and we want to breed them because they has such good temperment and we have family and friends who want one of their puppies. And only Mister's father, Jared, has titles. I would like to get Mister into showing though.
thank you for your response.

[Nishasmom]

How many "family friends" do you have? Nisha came from a litter of 14 . I don't know much about breeding, but 6 sounds old to be a 1st time mommy .

Maybe you can tell your friends to buy a pup from a respectable breeder; or adopt! There are over 2.4 MILLION animals put do death each year in shelters :(

[rottcrazed]

Sorry guy, no dice.

Health testing cannot be completed on a dog under the age of 2, so you are sadly mistaken.

Why not show him, health test him and then perhaps consider breeding him to a champion, health tested bitch? Why lower the bar?

Kristi

[observer]

And, you haven't responded at all to the info from experienced breeders here that your female at 6 is old for a first litter (never mind how overweight she may be, unless she is so tall to be WAY out of the standard) Do you want to risk her life???? And, experienced breeders have also told you that if your male cannot "complete the task", it may indicate a good genetic reason for NOT breeding him.

Send your family and friends to experienced breeders for a pup, or to rescue organizations who have some really fine Rottie pets that are already HERE and need homes. Then they won't come back to you to pay their vet bills if your pups end up having one or more of the many expensive and heartbreaking genetic defects Rotties are prone to and you haven't tested for. And they won't be dumping their "nice" pup from your dogs at a shelter if they don't want it any more, or breeding it, like you did, and produce more untested pups. The problem of breeding unproven dogs is a geometric one, mathematically....that's why there are SO MANY pups who eventually end up without homes.

Again, read the stickies at the top of the breeding forum about breeding "nice dogs" and "nice pets". You have no reason that is good for your dogs or good for the breed to breed either of these dogs at this time.

[fbkeays]

There are several AKC all breed dog shows at your local fairgrounds each year. The next one you can still enter is Chief Solano Kennel Club in the middle of April. Actually there are shows this Friday, Saturday and Sunday you could go watch. You can find the information on the shows on the MBF website, Home Page, InfoDog -? The Dog Fancier's Complete Resource for information? AKC Dog Show Events, and Dog Products and Services. Saturday rotts show at 8 am in ring 7. Try to find the obedience rings too and watch that.
Your male is out of a well known kennel. Why are you not communicating with your breeder about this? She should be able to tell you about showing, competing and why you should not be breeding you dogs at their ages. I am sure you have a contract? Please read it. I am sure there is some language about OFA clearences and perhaps a spay/neuter requirement.

[poohbearsmom]

Originally Posted by stinsony

Yes, as a matter of fact his father is Jared...and Mister has been health tested. and we want to breed them because they has such good temperment and we have family and friends who want one of their puppies. And only Mister's father, Jared, has titles. I would like to get Mister into showing though.
thank you for your response.

Small world. Please rethink your breeding goals at this time.

If your boy is like mine, he indeed possesses a wonderful temperament. Enjoy that immensely. Time flies.

I would absolutely implore you to please surround yourself with breeders who can teach you how to do things correctly, with the welfare of the breed and the individual dogs in mind.

If Mister is under two years of age, rottcrazed is correct, he can't possibly have all his health certs. Heart and eyes, but not hips and elbows. Xrays for OFA certification cannot be done until the dog reaches 24 months of age.

You came to a wonderful forum to with very good questions, and this is the right place to get very good answers. Stick around and learn. Breeding responsibly is not as easy as letting two dogs go at it. Good intentions will only get you so far.

[dawnadkins]

Unless OP has gone with some other certification group, I can find NOTHING on OFA database for health clearences for a dog of this name. I only see a handful of dogs with the Thnunder Valley kennel name.