Aunkst Rottweilers upcoming breeding

[sch1rot]

With much excitement I would like to announce Aunkst Rottweilers upcoming A-litter. Breeding expected to take place mid-March to early April 2008. Also after a 5 year hiatus, we will soon be updating our web page. I am expecting excellent working potential from these pups.

Junky vom Herrenholz BH, AD
Hips OFA Good, Elbows OFA Normal, OFA Cardiac Normal, CERF Normal

Sire:VDH CH Balou vom Silberblick VPGIII, BH, AD, gekört HD Frei ED Frei
Dam:VDH CH Aika vom Herrenholz VPGIII, FH 1, Ztp, BH, AD HD Frei ED Frei
P@wVillage.com & the Online Pedigree Database (tm)

Will be bred to:

Quincy vom Herrenholz BH, AD
Hips OFA Good, Elbows OFA Normal, OFA Cardiac pending, CERF pending

Sire:Int. & Dt. VDH CH Ety vom Herrenholz VPG III, IPO III, AD, BH, gekört
HD Frei ED Frei
Dam: Venus vom Herrrenholz VPGIII, AD, BH Ztp HD Frei ED Frei
P@wVillage.com & the Online Pedigree Database (tm)

[RottsNScotts]

Originally Posted by sch1rot

I am expecting excellent working potential from these pups.

And this would be a prime example of why the "I want to breed" people who come on this site think we are nuts!

We preach and preach and preach getting conformation and/or working titles on our dogs before we breed and immediately after an EXTENDED discussion with our newest member on this thread, we have a "member" posting a breeding where some tests are "pending" (yes, I know the breeding has not yet taken place but we have been saying the breeding shouldn't be "pending" until test results are back!) and the only "titles" are a BH, which is a basic obedience/traffic sureness test where about 3/4 of it is on leash(I put one on my first Scottish Terrier!), and an AD, a trotting endurance test.

Where have these specific dogs demonstrated their workability, trainability, desire to please, hardness, courage, and all the other things we look for in planned breedings, especially one where the litter is advertised as "excellent working potential"? Oh yeah, "descended from working lines"...where have we heard that before??? Does "descended from champion lines" sound familiar?

[dmoniz]

I don't know much about Quincy, although I am familiar with the lines, I have heard a lot about Junky and for one would LOVE to have a puppy by him. Congratualtions on the pending breeding, I wish I wasn't currently full up on dogs!

[RottsNScotts]

Originally Posted by dmoniz

I have heard a lot about Junky and for one would LOVE to have a puppy by him.

For clarification, I am not passing any judgement on the merits of the breeding at all. I am just trying to point out how this appears to someone who has possibly just gotten blasted for 4 pages for wanting to breed their dogs or to someone reading the forum thread for the first time...

[Nina&Bill]

Is this the same Junky that's the sire of Gretchen's C litter (out of Banja, I think)? Because those are some amazing puppies...now dogs.

These pups should be awesome!

Nina

Just checked the pawvillage site & the pups were out of Vikka.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by Nina&Bill

Is this the same Junky that's the sire of Gretchen's C litter (out of Banja, I think)? Because those are some amazing puppies...now dogs.

Yes, it is.....and I have first hand experience with how AWESOME they are, as my Chili is a Junky/Vikka daughter of the "C" litter. Incredible attitude, great conformation (Chili is OFA Excellent on hips, Normal on elbows), working ability through the ROOF, and wonderful temperament. Chili has so much natural ability that *I* am the student in this house more often than not.

Good luck with the breeding, Ron! Chili wants to make sure she sees pics of her half-brothers/sisters when they arrive!

[sch1rot]

RottsNScotts,

I have been in the breed, active I mean for roughly 13 years. This is my first litter. I have waited a very long time, and certainly did not rush out to start building a name. Nor just to add an income, or recklessly throw two dogs together to see about having a pup or two because my dog is just so "special". My planning for this started about 3 years ago, and not a whim or at the moment thing.

The test results I have in my hand as I made copies of them. They are both are clear, and I do not think the Dr.'s form is going to be altered in the processing. I understand your concerns, and appreciate the time you took to post directly to me.

If you would like to assess the courage, hardness, workability of either of them you are absolutely more than welcome. As to your working lines comments, look at the Pedigree's....not 5 generations back...look at 1 or 2 back. I have the korungs on many of these dogs. I have see a few in person and even worked them myself during different times in Germany. I also would like to give a belated congratulations for the 100pt FH1 Junky's mother recently did, just one of many that have been 96 pts and over.

dmoniz, Nina&bill, and of course moondog....yes this is my boy who was bred to Gretchen's very nice female (IMO) Vikka. Of course also I will get Chilli some pictures if/when they arrive.

[Jaidann]

Congrats! Hope everything works out well :)

[RottsNScotts]

Sch1Rot, I am still not addressing the merits of your particular breeding nor do I have any intention of doing so.

I am trying to point out the similarities in what you have posted in your breeding announcement and what others have posted then been summarily slammed and berated, much to their dismay and confusion. If the forum members are going to preach conformation and working titles and health clearances on breeding pairs and condemn those that don't have these, it is going to be confusing and strike some as elitist when others, on the face of it, are not demonstrating their adherence to that and do not receive the same flack.

We have seen people posting about "well, my dog/bitch's father/mother is a champion", etc but people go to great lengths to point out that that is not the dog/bitch being bred.

Again, I am not judging your breeding and wish you all the best for it! I am just trying to point out what we are seeing on this Breeding forum.

[sch1rot]

RottsnScotts,


Understood. Certainly what is good for the goose is good for the gander as they say!

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by sch1rot

RottsnScotts,


Understood. Certainly what is good for the goose is good for the gander as they say!

Then why have you not gotten some sort of conformation type of title on either of these dogs that you are breeding? Either a Championship? or a Sieger rating?
If you've been in the breed for all of these years...is there a reason?

I'm sure this is a lovely breeding....but I've also noticed the people preaching, are not getting any titles on their females. Nothing...not in front and not in the back.

Gina

[Luvtails]

Just an observation, there is another thread announcing a litter where the bitch also has NO titles .the stud does and everyone was congratulating her on the upcomming breeding. No one wrote anything negative like they have on this thread. The dogs had their certs but no titles. maybe the dog has points. I don't know, I have just observed that everyone preeches "must be a Ch" so is it ok to not have a Ch if you are a certain person?

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by Luvtails

Just an observation, there is another thread announcing a litter where the bitch also has NO titles .the stud does and everyone was congratulating her on the upcomming breeding. No one wrote anything negative like they have on this thread. The dogs had their certs but no titles. maybe the dog has points. I don't know, I have just observed that everyone preeches "must be a Ch" so is it ok to not have a Ch if you are a certain person?

I noticed that too...and there is no certifications for the elbows either.
Not everyone congratulated this upcoming litter. I would think that anyone that is "working" their dog...would have something on the dog?? A T.T.? A CGC? something??? anything???

Gina

[s1960]

Originally Posted by Luvtails

Just an observation, there is another thread announcing a litter where the bitch also has NO titles .the stud does and everyone was congratulating her on the upcomming breeding. No one wrote anything negative like they have on this thread. The dogs had their certs but no titles. maybe the dog has points. I don't know, I have just observed that everyone preeches "must be a Ch" so is it ok to not have a Ch if you are a certain person?

Not to argue your points or or even direct this at anyone's breeding, but maybe sometimes the pedigree and what comes from some of the dogs is as important as a conformation title. Just a couple cents thrown in.

[Luvtails]

My point was that people have something to say about this litter because they are not Ch but another litter the dam is also not a Ch. No one made comments to the other poster about not being a Ch bitch .So why do they feel obligated to post those comments here? I have a young female that I intend to breed in the future who will not likely get her AKC CH due to having a tail although I am going to show her in USRC next month and she is in training for Obedience titles. I understand about good pedigrees and agree with you. My bitch's pedigree is really good. What I am getting at is a Ch is title on paper and some of the people on this forum need to back off. Sch1, I am sure this is going to be a superb litter and congrats on the breeding!