Starting to breed...

[JagerLiLi]

Thank you for that link moon, I will not be attending a sms siminar! I will look for other siminars, and look for people who have attended! THe sms looks great on their site, but they dont ever show you dog's with no training. They show you police k9s that are already trained!

[Shelby427]

Originally Posted by JagerLiLi

This is where I am at... I will prolly not breed my two. I will def have them checked out health wise. I am still working on getting the sire/dam of my female checked out. I would like to bring my male through a few shows... His parents were amazingly built, shorter, compact but large structured. His attitude and personality is calm and listen's and learns very well! I will def buy another rott in the future, it may be a year maybe two. This will be a clear tree of dogs. Im still undecided whether or not it will be a male or a female. I thank you all for your concerns and knowledge shared!

Thank you for listening! When you're READY, if you REALLY want to breed, contact a real COE breeder, go to shows with them, have them mentor you, buy a show quality pup from this breeder (or co-own a bitch), show the dog, title the dog, get health certs done etc. THEN with the HELP of the COE breeder, maybe you can produce a litter. But until then, please neuter and spay your pets.

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by Shelby427

...When you're READY, if you REALLY want to breed, contact a real COE breeder, go to shows with them, have them mentor you, buy a show quality pup from this breeder (or co-own a bitch), show the dog, title the dog, get health certs done etc. THEN with the HELP of the COE breeder, maybe you can produce a litter..

And, train and show the dogs you have in performance events.

In addtion to strengthening the bond between you and your dogs, by training and showing you'll find out for yourself how much effort and expense goes into this one aspect of preparing dogs for possibly being bred.

[TrinaJ]

Originally Posted by Nishasmom

I think a lot of resposible COE breeders charge less for "pet" quality dogs, that will be spayed/neutered. So...this would mean they charge more for the "pick of the litter" (i.e. show/breeding stock).

I didn't realise that, here they are all sold for the same amount (the ones that i know of anyways) they just have restrictions placed upon them but never charge less.

[Calin]

I wanted to breed rottie pups my whole life.

Then I started volunteering at a rescue shelter right after I got my pup.

I'm sorry, but I love my girl too much to possibly subject her babies to that.

The simple fact is, the world doesn't need any more dogs. We can't take care of the ones we've got. Heck, I'd even go so far as to say that most of the professional breeders should probably drop out of the game. At this point, we should be breeding just enough to PRESERVE the breed, as opposed to pumping out more and more dogs that starve and die on the streets.

Volunteer at a rescue shelter. I'm betting you'll get plenty of chances to foster mutt pups anyway which might wake you up to the reality of it all. If you still want to do this after a year, I'm going to call you a lunatic.

[rottcrazed]

Originally Posted by Nishasmom
I think a lot of resposible COE breeders charge less for "pet" quality dogs, that will be spayed/neutered. So...this would mean they charge more for the "pick of the litter" (i.e. show/breeding stock).

Not so in many cases though.

I don't charge any different for either pet/show prospect puppies because to me, they are all just as valuable, and because I will be keeping the 'pick' (my pick) of the litter anyway.

Contracts will be different, that will change, but nothing else. First and foremost, I want ALL the puppies to have a loving home where they are a valued PET first, then whatever happens after that is like icing on the cake.

Kristi

[Nishasmom]

Rottcrazed: please do not take offense to my response; I am NOT a breeder.

Do you think that every dog in your litter is of equal quality? I think it would be very hard to have a litter of 15, and have ALL of them be show quality. I do know that my breeder COE charged me less for Nisha (partly b/c I'm her daughters best friend , and partly b/c she will not be bred, or shown)

There are many breeders I researched who do charge less for "pet" quality dogs. (They still had all the health guarantees ect.)

[Anne]

Originally Posted by TrinaJ

I didn't realise that, here they are all sold for the same amount (the ones that i know of anyways) they just have restrictions placed upon them but never charge less.

Not quite Trina It's up to the individual breeder and many breeders, if not most, charge more for the pups they think are of show/breeding quality.

As you probably know, pups thought to be of show quality are put on the main register whereas the other pups are on the limited register. Most breeders do charge more for main registered pups.

Only main registered pups can be shown and there is usually a clause in the contract that the pups on the limited register will be desexed. If anyone breeds with a limited register pup then the resulting litter cannot be registered at all.

[TrinaJ]

Originally Posted by Anne

Not quite Trina It's up to the individual breeder and many breeders, if not most, charge more for the pups they think are of show/breeding quality.

As you probably know, pups thought to be of show quality are put on the main register whereas the other pups are on the limited register. Most breeders do charge more for main registered pups.

Only main registered pups can be shown and there is usually a clause in the contract that the pups on the limited register will be desexed. If anyone breeds with a limited register pup then the resulting litter cannot be registered at all.

Hi Anne, lovely day outside today, hope Sophie is doing well.

The places I went to were all show quality pups, Main Register listed (except that byb she was still charging $1000 for limited register pups - this was her first litter and it showed). I ended up paying $1200 for Jett. The other places were also selling for roughly the same price, once again all main registered. Perhaps as i was only looking for show quality pups that's why i found they were all the same price, there was never any negotiation about the price.

[Anne]

Originally Posted by TrinaJ

Hi Anne, lovely day outside today, hope Sophie is doing well.

The places I went to were all show quality pups, Main Register listed (except that byb she was still charging $1000 for limited register pups - this was her first litter and it showed). I ended up paying $1200 for Jett. The other places were also selling for roughly the same price, once again all main registered. Perhaps as i was only looking for show quality pups that's why i found they were all the same price, there was never any negotiation about the price.

Yes Trina, some breeder do register all their pups on the main. I'm not sure why they do this because not every pup in a litter is of show quality. However they do.

I think I know your pup Well done yesterday

Sophie is okay but showing some sign of a liver problem so we may need to adjust her medication.

[TrinaJ]

Originally Posted by Anne

Yes Trina, some breeder do register all their pups on the main. I'm not sure why they do this because not every pup in a litter is of show quality. However they do.

I think I know your pup Well done yesterday

Sophie is okay but showing some sign of a liver problem so we may need to adjust her medication.

Oh that's not good, hopefully the adjusted medication will sort it all out.

Were you there yesterday? *L* I was the one bumbling around the ring...but Jett paced really well so she made up for my lack of showing ability.

[princessmom]

Hi everyone. I haven't posted in a while. Sadie is a HANDFUL!!!! Anyway, I have read probably 30-40 of the posts on here and am sitting here with my jaw dropped. Maybe I really shouldn't be because everyone is ignorant until they learn something, but it seems that everyone has posted excellent advice here and it isn't getting through. I don't know what else anyone can say...WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE PUPPIES FOR A LONG TIME UNLESS THEY ARE TO IMPROVE THE BREED OF THE DOG !!!! and period. If you want a puppy go adopt one, rescue one, or just forgo the puppy part and get a dog that needs a good home. If everyone did this instead of breeding and kept breeding out of the hands of BYB's then the tragedy of out "pet" population would not be what it is. There are MORE THAN ENOUGH puppies and dogs for EVERYONE!!! (nice pets for nice families included).
I am certainly not holier than thou. Wow, not at all. I am an offender myself for what I did. BUT I learned! I know what everyone is hollering about now when they plead with people to spay and neuter their pets. Please think long and hard on this. Do some research, and think of the millions (yes millions) of unwanted animals in the U.S alone. Don't think for a minute that your dogs will be "special" and "better" than those millions of unwanted animals. If people want a pet, they are available, and all you would be breeding are "pets". There is nothing wrong with "pets" but we DONT need more of them./
Please don't take this as an attack. I do not intend it as such. Just please open your eyes and then help open the eyes of others as well.

[Rkinken]

well this post has really opened my eyes wide open. i have 9 mth old male that when i got i was wanting to breed him but after readin just this thread alone has changed my mind. i will be gettin him fixed as soon i can scramble up some money to get it done. in the mean time i will watch him very carefully an make sure he doesnt get out of my yard. i dont want to do n e thing to harm this great breed in my mind. i have come to love this breed and want to do what i can to help this breed.

that still doesnt mean i dont want to become a breeder one day. not today or tomorrow but one day in the FAR future. i would like to get as much information on this subject so i can prepare my self and my family to go about doing so the right way. i want to do this the right way to help the breed out, not to hurt the breed in any means. i want to better the breed.