Older dog vaccination prior to breeding?

[YooperInCO]

I have a 9yr old (as of 02/26/08) male. Since he was born he's had 2 DHLP vaccinations, as well as rabies.

I have someone who may be interested in breeding him with her female, my question is what vaccinations do I need to give to my male to get him "up to date"?

[brunie's mom]

More important than what vaccinations...what health certifications have been done you your dog? What are his hip, elbow, eye and heart certification numbers? What titles does he have? Why is he worthy of breeding? There are also STD and burcellosis tests that have to be done...so the female does not get some disease.

The female should also have all of the health certifications as well as titles to be worthy of breeding. Please do help in producing BYB puppies.

As far as vaccinations...he should have the rabies every 3 years, and he can be titered for the distemper/parvo...if his immunity is high he does not need to be vaccinated for these diseases.

Gina

[Shelby427]

Do not breed your dog unless he has all the things Gina mentioned in her post. Ask the bitch's owners if their bitch has titles, health clearances etc. There are too many unwanted puppies in this world, so please don't add to it.

Unless both dogs have won titles, have been shown, has had all tests clear on hips/elbows/eyes/heart, has been temperamented tested, neither dog is worthy of being bred.

[AngelBunny]

Breeding requires more than two fertile dogs who are UTD on their vaccinations.

Please read thru the postings here in Breeding to find out what real breeders do.

Then read thru the postings in Rescue to find out what everybody else does.

I leave it to your intelligence to figure out which category to which you belong.

[TrinaJ]

Also how old is the bitch?

[OnyxGold1]

If your biggest concern is vaccinations prior to breeding.....that's a big red flag to me that you probably shouldn't be considering breeding him

Ensure that your male has had his hips/elbows/heart and eyes certified and cleared by OFA, and then ensure the same for the bitch.

Ensure that the bitch has had a clear brucellosis test done within (I believe 10 days) of her coming into season.

It is more crucial in terms of vaccinations & dewormings for MOM to be UTD in advance of any breeding. I know of a litter born where (for reasons unbeknownest to anyone) mom received her rabies shot in her 4th week of pregnancy......of the puppies that survived......their temperment was schitzy, high strung, unpredictable....and I believe the majority had to be put down prior to ever reaching 2.

There is a lot of good information in the forums as to what constitutes a good breeder and a lot of information as to what constitutes a byb.

Heather

[marianne]

IMO, you better get some "fish testing" done. Your old dog might be shooting blanks. Prostate testing might be good too.
WOW it took how many years to be approached for breeding?
Leave it alone....

[YooperInCO]

The female is 3yrs old, and has her OFA papers. My dog doesn't have any OFA papers, mainly because I can't afford it. I don't know if it means he's "free" of anything, but he acts (physically) like a puppy. He's never shown any aggression towards me or anybody else (not even a growl), and has only shown aggression towards 1 dog out of the many dozens he's been around.

Why does my dog need to have been shown, and have won titles to be worthy to be bred? Just because 1 car wins a car show, doesn't mean the rest are junk.

[brunie's mom]

He should be shown, so that he fits the standard for the Rottweiler. Is he tall enough? does he have the proper conformation? does he have the right temperament? is he smart enough? Most of us are kennel blind. We all think our dogs are the best, the smartest, the perfect dog. That's why you get an unbiased opinion.

I don't think OFA's are all that expensive....x-rays by your own vet, and then sent to OFA. Eyes are often done at a clinic at dog shows, and hearts can be done at them too...or else done at a vet cardiologist.

What titles does your dog have? What titles does the bitch have? anything in obedience, tracking, herding,agility? The rottweiler is a working breed, you should be able to prove that the dog can learn and work.

I also have to wonder why the bitch owner that has gone to all of the trouble to get OFA certification on their bitch, would want to use your unproven 9 year old dog as a stud??? Good proven stud dogs are around, as well as semen can be shipped.

BYB's like to use the dog that is closest to them....as long as they can perform, they will do.

Gina

[moz205]

It amazes me that someone who joined here in 10/2006 and has only posted to this thread which they started would even contemplate breeding his untested 9 yo male! I know there are people that don't post often but do research and get their answers from such knowledgeable people but obviously the OP is not one of them.

[Shelby427]

Originally Posted by YooperInCO

The female is 3yrs old, and has her OFA papers. My dog doesn't have any OFA papers, mainly because I can't afford it. I don't know if it means he's "free" of anything, but he acts (physically) like a puppy. He's never shown any aggression towards me or anybody else (not even a growl), and has only shown aggression towards 1 dog out of the many dozens he's been around.

Why does my dog need to have been shown, and have won titles to be worthy to be bred? Just because 1 car wins a car show, doesn't mean the rest are junk.

How do you know your dog is worthy of being bred? How do you know he conforms to the standard? If he's not shown, or titled, you have no idea. You need a third party to judge him, not just you. Just because you think he's a great dog (I'm not saying he's not a great PET) does NOT mean he's worthy of being bred and producing puppies. Do you know if he carries a recessive gene for heart problems? Eye problems?

You can't even compare cars to dogs. Cars are MANUFACTURED IN A FACTORY, DOGS ARE LIVING CREATURES! Dogs are not produced the same way so it's apples and oranges.

[YooperInCO]

O.K. If I have an AKC beagle that is an excellent rabbit dog, but I decide not to run him/her in field trials, does that mean he/she shouldn't be bred?

Anyhow, had a reputable (sp?) breeder that's been breeding rottweilers for 30yrs look at him tonight. She checked him out pretty good and told me that she would not hesitate to breed him to her bitch, provided that I get OFA papers. The pedigree on hers has lots of show, schutzhund III, and I forget what all champions. In her dogs 5 gen pedigree, there was maybe 6 or 8 dogs that were not champions.

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by YooperInCO1

If I have an AKC beagle that is an excellent rabbit dog, but I decide not to run him/her in field trials, does that mean he/she shouldn't be bred?

Ask the people on the beagle forum. I for one, don't know anything about Beagles.

Originally Posted by YooperInCO1

Anyhow, had a reputable (sp?) breeder that's been breeding rottweilers for 30yrs look at him...She checked him out pretty good and told me that she would not hesitate to breed him to her bitch, provided that I get OFA papers....

How, exactly, is she reputable?

And how she did check out your dog?

Just OFA is important to her? Eyes aren't? Heart isn't? Titles aren't?

[Shelby427]

Originally Posted by YooperInCO

O.K. If I have an AKC beagle that is an excellent rabbit dog, but I decide not to run him/her in field trials, does that mean he/she shouldn't be bred?

Anyhow, had a reputable (sp?) breeder that's been breeding rottweilers for 30yrs look at him tonight. She checked him out pretty good and told me that she would not hesitate to breed him to her bitch, provided that I get OFA papers. The pedigree on hers has lots of show, schutzhund III, and I forget what all champions. In her dogs 5 gen pedigree, there was maybe 6 or 8 dogs that were not champions.

Do NOT breed your unshown, untitled, non-health tested DOG! Why would you DO THAT!? Do you even know how many dogs are in shelters, petfinder etc!? Why would you add to the population of unwanted dogs?

How do you know that this "breeder" is reputable? What are the names of her dogs and we can them up. What are the OFA numbers for all of her dogs? We can look that up also. How did she "look over" your dog? And here we go with the "30 years" stuff - just because she throws out there she's been doing it for 30 years does NOT MAKE HER A COE BREEDER. She could very well be BYB that has been doing this for 30 years.

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by YooperInCO

O.K. If I have an AKC beagle that is an excellent rabbit dog, but I decide not to run him/her in field trials, does that mean he/she shouldn't be bred?

Anyhow, had a reputable (sp?) breeder that's been breeding rottweilers for 30yrs look at him tonight. She checked him out pretty good and told me that she would not hesitate to breed him to her bitch, provided that I get OFA papers. The pedigree on hers has lots of show, schutzhund III, and I forget what all champions. In her dogs 5 gen pedigree, there was maybe 6 or 8 dogs that were not champions.

If the Beagle is an excellent rabbit dog, at least he is proven that he is doing what he was bred to do. If his health certifications were done...and he is worthy...then I would breed.

Your dog has done nothing to prove that he is worthy of breeding. To prove that he is worthy of breeding you have to make sure he has the proper temperament and the brains...besides the looks and the health certifications.
What titles have you got on him? Has he got obedience titles? tracking? herding? schutzhund? These were all things that Rottweilers were bred to do...and makes them worthy of breeding.

It does not matter what the pedigree in her dog has...it matter what her dog has now. My dog has all sorts of Champions, and shutzhund champions in his pedigree....it does not mean that he is breeding material.
Not all good dogs produce puppies that should be breeding material.

At 9 years of age...you dog will most likely develop prostate problems if you allow him to breed. Are you ready to face that?

Gina