Feedback from knowledgable dog person appreciated

[EnlightenedOne]

Hi everyone, I have been bitten by the rottie bug and hard! I have picked up my boy a few weeks ago and would "love" if anyone can share their knowing about the breeding of my particular pup i.e. confirmation, serious working, etc. It was my intent when I made this purchase to become involved with a woking relationship with my pup. I have purchased a variety of videos, however, there is a trove of information that it is going to take a bit to digest. LOL. When I arrived here I began notice there was a clear line among members as to working and confirmation, any and all information will be greatly appreciated. The sire and dam are listed below:

Lord von Bickesheim II

HEXY VOM ESCHENHAGEN

Thanks in advance.

[EnlightenedOne]

Hexy is off of and out of:

TEX VOM VILSTALER LAND
AYKI VOM ESCHENHAGEN

[kanesmommy]

Have you spoke with your breeder? What do they say about you breeding this dog? Your breeder will be a wonderful mentor

[EnlightenedOne]

Well yes.........I just thought it would be nice to have diverse opinions. And the breeder is a sweetheart with lots of integrity. :)

[OnyxGold1]

Pardon me if this sounds dumb......I'm just looking for clarification on your question.......are you looking for information on the breeding IE the strengths and weaknesses of the bloodlines behind your dog? or are you seeking information on whether you think you should breed your dog in the future?

I'm guessing it is the first perhaps.....in which case I would have to say that I know nothing about the pedigree of your dog....however PawVillage is a wonderful asset in searching pedigrees.

If you are seeking advice on whether you should breed your girl, then of course your breeder should be the first one you consult after you have worked, or shown and health tested your girl first.

I'm sorry wish I could offer more, I just don't know what you are really asking

Heather Peters

[dmoniz]

I know personally a Lord son. He is great in Schutzhund work, one of the hardest biting dogs my helper works. I don't know Hexy at all. Either way getting a puppy is always a crap shoot. He may end up being great and he may not. Get him out work him, show him, love him and no matter what happens you will have a friend for life.

[EnlightenedOne]

Yes OnyxGold that is what I was referring to the strengths and weaknesses behind this particular breeding of my boy. I won't do any breedings; I will leave that to the experts. :) I am more focused on fulfilling my capacity as a successful dog handler/owner.


Hi Dmoniz, I am new to this and would love to do some work with my boy. Most certainly he will be loved throughout his life. I am and always has been an animal lover. I am a high energy individual so a self-satisfying relationship with my boy is in the making.

Thanks everyone.

[Kandi]

I too do not know anything about those lines, but I have been checking out that breeder should I choose to purchase another dog sometime. She is a sweetheart, and I am sure she could help answer any questions you may have. I know she sends a lot of her dogs overseas for showing and competitions. Very firm German foundations. I was also looking at the litter or her other one. I am not in a position to buy another now, nor would I but, I don't think you went wrong when you chose her for your breeder. Wish I could help you in your search for answers, I know some of Tex's lines, but beyond that, nothing. Good luck with your boy.

[feuerhaus]

Enlightened One,

I know your breeder and the lines your pup is from. The breeder is a great gal! Loves the breed and has bred some very nice litters.
There may be a perceived split between the 'working vs show' people but in all reality, the best dogs are the total rottweiler. If you wanted a pure performance dog for Sch buy a working line GSD or a Mal, that is what the points are put up with..There are some 'working' rottweiler lines in Sch but many buyers would not want them for two reasons, looks and high drive. Typically the working rottweilers are 85-90 lb males, light boned and lack type. Most people and buyers want a rottweiler that 'looks' impressive and will never work the dog.
The other side of the coin is the eastern Euro type rottweilers that are bred specifically for the show ring. The total rottweiler is a dog that can do both..
Look like a rottweiler and can still do the work.. For me the BST is still the best test for a young rottweiler. The dog must have no disqualifying faults, have passing hips, meet the breed standard, be somewhat social to be able to pass the temperment and measuring and be able to do a protection routine that includes an 'attack out of the blind' which can be very difficult for some dogs.
Your puppy is out of some very nice tempermentful show lines and you should be able to do both venues with your dog if he realizes his genetic potential..Hope that helps

[EnlightenedOne]

First and foremost thank you all for taking the time to share your knowledge. I myself am a high drive individual so I choose to distribute my energy among a few as to not overwhelm any one individual, hence, repetitive questions. A dog may take 30 times to learn a command; it may take me 7 cycles myself to learn a given task. lol I decided to put into practice a heightened awareness, so I may learn how to read my dog and engage him correctly. With the great dog people I have met so far it shouldn't be that hard.......thanks again everyone.

[linedog]

I agree with Feuerhaus, the minumum standard I look at in choosing the parents of a working dog (schutzhund) is the minimum of the German standard a ztp or bst on both and a sch1 and ztp-bst on one at least. I really don't care what show ratings the dogs have accrued if they don't meet this minimum. I like a good looking dog so of course I also look for V's and such, but I have had it proven too many times to me why this minimum is there. if it is not met, by far the majority of the dogs can't do the work.I also feel the female has as much or more influence on working temperment as the male does. I realize that the tendency now is to breed show and go litters, but the go better be there on both sides of the pedigree. the continuity of working temperment in each generation is extremely important, it is also important that it be proven.

[EnlightenedOne]

Thanks linedog. :)So much information to retain; I love it though.

[feuerhaus]

Linedog, I could not agree more..As I have stated before, and O Story has pointed out, the rottweiler is not the best dog for Sch due it's size. If someone wants a sport/sch dog, a working line GSD or Mal is the choice. Kind of like bringing a truck to a dragster race..Form and function.
Unless you are competing rottweilers vs rottweilers..
I have worked all the breeds at a very high competitive level and for me the rottweiler is still my favorite to own and work due to the pure power of the dog. Having said that, I too like a nice looking strong rottweiler and not a light boned doberman type which is typical of the 80-90 lb pure working males rotts. These dogs do not fit the type and also are not that great of workers anyway compared to the GSD's and Mals. So, if you love rottweilers and that is why were here, why not look for the total rottweiler in looks, temperment and working ability. I am a public safety professional and do not EVER see PD's buying rotts anymore for police work or even GSD's anymore, they are all buying Mals because they are cheaper, have minimal health issues and last longer and simply perform better for that function.
For the rottweiler lovers here, I highly recommend you read/ study and learn about the total rottweiler and the best of them are produced by excellent ADRK kennels and a few select kennels in other countries that try and follow the German standard. You can have a typey, strong looking rottweiler with excellent temperment and can do the work in Sch and perform a BST but they must have the proper genetic background. Even the pure show people will have more fun with a tempermentful rottweiler that actually has some drive and will stack easily and has prey drive. The mastiffy statues that do nothing in the ring but stand and look pretty and cannot move well or have proper temperment are not correct to the breed standard for the rottweiler.
I would like to see more owners AND breeders test their dogs with at least a BST before breeding to PROVE their dogs are correct in type and temperment.
With our latest addition, we chose to research and find the ultimate breeding, Kor und Leistungzucht. Both parents and all four grandparents are Sch3 and both parents have proven themselves at the ADRK Korung, the ultimate breed test for the rottweiler. We are very happy with the outcome.. Like Linedog, I would NEVER consider a breeding without both parents being sch titled and have ztp's. The amount of breedings with the buzzwords of 'excellent working prospects and will have have super drive' from untitled, unproven parents is nauseating..
The lines are still there where people can have both type and temperment but the research must be done, breeders must commit to this and judges must reward proper type/temperment.. JMO

Originally Posted by linedog

I agree with Feuerhaus, the minumum standard I look at in choosing the parents of a working dog (schutzhund) is the minimum of the German standard a ztp or bst on both and a sch1 and ztp-bst on one at least. I really don't care what show ratings the dogs have accrued if they don't meet this minimum. I like a good looking dog so of course I also look for V's and such, but I have had it proven too many times to me why this minimum is there. if it is not met, by far the majority of the dogs can't do the work.I also feel the female has as much or more influence on working temperment as the male does. I realize that the tendency now is to breed show and go litters, but the go better be there on both sides of the pedigree. the continuity of working temperment in each generation is extremely important, it is also important that it be proven.