Papers for Rotts

[DiamondGirl]

Hi eveyone, my name is Debbie and this is my first post.
I have 3 people with male Rotts that want to mate with my female. She is about 2 years old and I am the fourth owner. I rescued her from a not so nice enviroment. She has a very good demeanor and I have had MANY compliments in regards to it.

Well I don't have any papers for her and am certain she is pure but how do I go about proving it and is there a way to get papers?

Thanks in advance.

[harleychik66]

Debbie welcome. Please, please just spay your girl. If you got her for the right reasons it doesn't matter if she has papers or not. I get compliments on my two dogs all the time and they are both mixes.

Many people on here have nice dogs. The shelters are full of nice dogs. You have no idea what is in her background as far as temperment, health issues ect.

As to whether she is "pure" does it matter? Would you love her any less if she isn't.

If you are looking for papers so you can show her there have been several discussions on what forms you need to fill out to do so, I believe the only thing without "papers" that you wouldn't be able to do is conformation.

If you are thinking about breeding and I truely hope you're NOT then go the the breeding section of this forum and see why I am so against it.

Again welcome this a great site with wonderful information. Use it wisely.

[GypsysMom]

Im sure you will hear alot of this, why do you want to breed your girl? trust me and other breeders on here when we tell you there is no money in it, and alot of the breeders here breed their dogs that have been tested ex:hips, elbows heart etc.. and they have titles to their dogs. Your girl will be a better pet spayed, you most likely have no idea about breeding dogs, so leave it to the professionals, If your dog is as wonderful as you describe then get her into obedience, agility, or even try therapy (if she has the proper temperment) dont just make her a breeding machine

[observer]

I'm afraid you may not like the answers you will get to your first post. But, we are all here to educate you and others about this wonderful breed (including when NOT to breed them).

You can't get registration papers for her. Because you know nothing about her genetic background, you have no way to try to guard against all the genetic defects this wonderful breed is prone to. You don't know that she doesn't either have some of them or is likely to pass them on, or both.

Breeding these dogs is very serious business. As has already been said, the shelters and rescues are full of Rotties who came from dogs like yours. Spay her and enjoy her as the wonderful pet she is. The males in question should likely be neutered, too, for the same reasons. Owners of males that are worthy of breeding are not asking to breed their boys to an unregistered female, no matter how nice a temperament she has.

Take a look at this thread, and the one about breeding "nice pets" in the top ("sticky") section of the Breeding forum here.

http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/bre...nice-dogs.html

[jakesfostermom]

Debbie - welcome - and I hope you will read and read and read and read - and then make the educated decision NOT to allow your female to be bred for ANY reason. She is an unknown to you as far as genetics - and along with the previous thread for reading - try this one too - it's VERY recent and shows the flip side........
http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/bre...yesterday.html

Spaying her allows you to enjoy her as the wonderful/beautiful pet that she is! You rescued her by your own words - I hope you won't subject her to the very thing that plagues our breed right now.........."backyard breeding"

[rottcrazed]

No papers = No Certainty of Heritage:

Basically, she should not be bred.

Having reproductive organs does not mean a licence to breed.

Kristi

[moz205]

My first Rottie was from a byb. He didn't have a clue that breeding should only be done for the betterment of the breed-neither did I or I wouldn't have given him the time of day. Well, Rommel WAS beautiful but had the fault of having long hair- amoung others including temperment issues. So many people asked me would I breed him with their females. Looking back, I cringe that I would be asked that by other owners! Thankfully, I never took them up on that. Even with my lack of knowledge I declined. Just because they CAN doesn't mean they SHOULD.

[DiamondGirl]

WOW I had NO idea that I should't breed her. I only wanted to do it once and that was IF I felt good about one of the three male prospects. I am in no way about to make her a breeding machine. I love her and wouldn't do that to her.

I am not dead set on breeding her for the simple fact that I am new to raising a Rott and realize how time consuming it would be.

As for the papers, it isn't important to me what so ever. I thought I would need them if I were going to breed her.

I am here more or less to learn about her breed of dog. Breeding her isn't as important to me as her well being. I would have kept one of her pups though.

Well thanks for the advise everyone. It is appreciated and I hope to learn alot from all of you.

Thank you!

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by DiamondGirl

...I don't have any papers for [myfemale] and am certain she is pure but how do I go about proving it and is there a way to get papers?

By visual examination you simply can't be sure your bitch is a PB Rottie.

You can't get papers for her after the fact.

You have been given outstanding advice by the previous posters.

My suggestion is to read thru all the postings in this the Breeding forum to find out what real, COE breeder do.

Then read thru the postings in the Recsue forum to find out what BYBs do.

I leave it to you to figure out which category into which you'd fall should you breed your bitch.

[krissi666]

Debs,-after several attempts to find the 'introductions' forum to post my concerns about 'Zeus' I find myself here, late on teusday night. I,ve just recieved an overdue Christmas present from my horse trainer-dog breeder sister. It is "The Ultimate Rottweiler"- edited by Andrew Brace. The book provoked a memory from three months ago! It was suggested by a local femweiller owner that I take Zeus to his house to shag his rotti bitch. I was attracted to the idea at the time. A little bit of study has convinced me that I am not in a position to decide. Zeus is just over a year old. I don't plan to "show" him or let anyone who wants 'superpups' be disappointed. Don't worry about peoples response to your first post. Knowledge about your dog is the best thing for her-(lol). This is my first post also! (By the way- I'm from Salford, Manchester and from 'fine princely stock'! (R1551.

[DiamondGirl]

Well it didn't take long for me to think it over and change my mind. I will get her fixed.

I know what having kids hase done to my body I could image what she'd go through.

Guess I will browse around and see what I can learn about her.

Thanks

[harleychik66]

Debbie- Thank you so very much for you open-mindedness. I'm sure your girl will amaze you with what she's capable of learning.

[Anne]

Originally Posted by DiamondGirl

Well it didn't take long for me to think it over and change my mind. I will get her fixed.
I know what having kids hase done to my body I could image what she'd go through.
Guess I will browse around and see what I can learn about her.
Thanks

Wonderful to hear you won't breed your girl and thanks for taking the advice of knowledgable owners on this forum.

Well done Diamond girl.

[AngelBunny]

Atta girl, DiamondGirl! Absolutely the way to go. I tip my hat to you for so quickly understanding the folly of breeding an unpapered, unproven dog.

Now, perhaps you can persuade the owners of those three male Rotties of the error of their ways--or talk them into coming here and doing some reading???

[rtwu]

id like to turn this around a little.
angel bunny says by visual inspection you simply cant be sure your bitch is a purebred rott
does this mean mixed breed? registered rott? are there people out there that doent know a rottweiler?
im a believer and agree with everyone else that the breeding of rotts has to be kept on check.
rotts with no papers ,including the rare gem of a dog on looks,temperament,lets say an incredible rott with no papers,everyone will say it doesnt exist,ive seen a few with no papers that are better than those with papers,physically and temperament wise.
ive thought to myself ,if only that dog had papers.i know that with breeding a medical is a must to eliminate physical hereditary problems.
i know my post with the rott breeding program emphasis in mind is on a loser to nothing.