when can you dock a puppies tail

[TrinaJ]

Originally Posted by themaster

Please forgive my not reading the quoted section properly, indeed you are correct.

Not seen any with full tails yet but I bet they look awesome, despite the potential drawbacks for working dogs.

They do look quite cute, but i miss the whole bum wag thing.....and it hurt like hell when you get wacked on the back of the legs with one of those monster tails


FYI mamma2981 - The correct spelling is Chihuahua pronounced chiwahwah

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by mama2981

Thanks for all the reply. I do take breeding seriously. I also breed chichuauas and always have success. I say I do it as a hobby because my love is to give people good pets. I wouldn't do anything to hurt any of my 7 dogs. Which include 4 chichuauas 1 bassett hound and 2 rottweilers. I love my dogs like my children. The reason I ask the question was because the vet told me they went into shock from the tail docking. I am not just someone that has no idea about breeding. I have been doing it for awhile. I just love my rotts. And yes they are AKC regristered with very good boodlines

What success have you had with the chi's? Are they in the show ring? Please don't breed to produce "nice pets". Thousands of "nice pets" are dying or being killed in shelters everyday. They all came from breeders that thought everyone should have "nice pets" or make a bit of extra cash.

Unless your dogs ( all of the dogs) have their hips, elbows, eyes and hearts certified and they have their Championships from the show ring...they should not be bred. Take a look at petfinder and you will see all of the "nice pets".

You sound like you love your dogs very much, but I would suggest you spay/neuter them and keep them as the "nice pets" they are.

Gina

[IJF1]

Originally Posted by themaster

Not seen any with full tails yet but I bet they look awesome, despite the potential drawbacks for working dogs.

I assume when you mention the potential drawbacks for working dogs, you are talking about other breeds (Spaniels/Terriers etc.)? Can't think of a drawback to having a tail for a working Rottweiler.....

[themaster]

depends what work you have them doing, but yes I guess I was talking about working breeds in general with my comment

[Skip]

Originally Posted by themaster

Please forgive my not reading the quoted section properly, indeed you are correct.

Not seen any with full tails yet but I bet they look awesome, despite the potential drawbacks for working dogs.

What "work" are you referring to where a tailed rott can't perform just as well as a docked rott? I'm not aware of any such drawback.

[mama2981]

SORRY chihuahuas I do breed them and have been for about 4 years. And yes the vet docked them but told me there could be a chance of them going in shock. He said most of the time he waits till they are 4-5 days old. But some would request that it be done earlier. He gave me the warning but also said that he had done several at 1 day old many times and they be perfectly okay. Just forget that i even asked the question. I asked because i was concerned about the well being of my dog and future puppies. NOT to be cut down. I care very much for my dogs and they are well taking care of.

[cerulean]

Originally Posted by mama2981

I just had a litter of puppies... I've never breed but decicded to do it for a hobby.

Mama2981, I believe that this quote from your first post explains why people are asking questions, as you state that you have never "breed" before.

Nonetheless, having the entire litter die is a kind of a big deal, and you have no idea why.... you love your dogs and don't want to hurt them, but your female has just gone through alot.

Maybe you need to learn more about raising puppies BEFORE they are born instead of after they die.

[alice's mommy]

Here's my question: if you "love your dogs like children", why did you go AGAINST your vet's advice and risk their going into shock by getting their tails docked so early?! You wrote that your vet warned you this could happen...yet you did it anyways!

[observer]

Originally Posted by mama2981

she is doing fine and i do know the breed I do know the breed standards and iam trying to better the breed. I asked the question for some advice not to be cut down. I am not running some puppy mill or anything to that nature. And what are BYB's I am not some cruel person. I love my dogs like they are my children and i asure you that my female is getting to most love any dog could get right now. Yes she has been to the vet and she is fine. She was a wonderful mother as well. and when i said a hobby that just was the best to describe it. I breed chichuauas as well and have never had a problem.

Trying to better the Rottweiler breed? I'm sorry, but I don't think so. You haven't done anything to prove that your dog is worthy of breeding. No OFA certs, no titles, correct? Of course you love her. But read here the stickies at the top of the breedinf forum about why not to breed "nice" dogs. You are a back yard breeder (BYB). We have too many of those already. It's too bad that your girl had to go through this. I would suggest that you not try it again unless you go a lot further to prove that she is worth breeding.

And, there are a lot of Chihuahuas in shelters, too. Think twice about breeding more of them, as well. It sounds like you are a BYB for Chi's, too. Not that you don't love them, but you can love them without breeding them.

[SABELLESMOM]

Originally Posted by Skip

What "work" are you referring to where a tailed rott can't perform just as well as a docked rott? I'm not aware of any such drawback.

Well, back in the day when tail docking began for our breed...our multi purpose Rottweilers were used as drover, guard, and "draft dogs." Obviously, this would mean they pulled carts or small wagons. Broken tails are painful, I would think. Their tails do not naturally hang straight down like a horse or ox. So perhaps, this is one reason how docking came into being. Being a draft or doing any carting, would certainly fall into the category of work.

There is an thread about docking, here somewhere, which I have not yet read. Still, it may contain more of some interesting historical information. I plan to paruse that thread one day, soon.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by SABELLESMOM

Well, back in the day when tail docking began for our breed...our multi purpose Rottweilers were used as drover, guard, and "draft dogs." Obviously, this would mean they pulled carts or small wagons. Broken tails are painful, I would think. Their tails do not naturally hang straight down like a horse or ox. So perhaps, this is one reason how docking came into being. Being a draft or doing any carting, would certainly fall into the category of work.

There is an thread about docking, here somewhere, which I have not yet read. Still, it may contain more of some interesting historical information. I plan to paruse that thread one day, soon.

No written proof I have ever seen that the tails were docked because of pulling carts, or any other work. I have also heard the "tax on tailed dogs" story, and a lot more, but none of the reasons really hold water. BUT basically I was asking what work a tailed rott NOWADAYS can't perform just as well (or better) than a docked rott. There are several tailed breeds nowadays that perform carting with no problems.

[windsonguk]

How many pups in the litter - what symptoms indicated they 'All' died of shock?
Would it not have been sensible to have a post mortem on at least one of the pups?
I couldn't live with myself not knowing why this happened.

[Skip]

Sorry to have sidetracked this thread with the "tail or dock" statements. A whole litter of poorly bred pups died, and I should not have changed the subject. The OP REALLY needs to find another hobby.

[damp]

Originally Posted by Skip

The OP REALLY needs to find another hobby.

I have to agee ....................

Originally Posted by Skip

A whole litter of poorly bred pups died.

Nothing is so bad, it is not good!!

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by Skip

...A whole litter of poorly bred pups died, and I should not have changed the subject. The OP REALLY needs to find another hobby.

He or she most certainly does. Maybe stamp collecting as it's impossible to kill off all those little pieces of paper.

I'm involved with rescue going on 10 years. This whole post disgusted and sickened me.

BYB writ large, alas!

And not with one breed, but with two