No markings, is this hereditary

[warriec]

I am writing this behalf of a friend who breeds rottweilers.

She is a breeder, 2 puppies from a litter of 8 puppies have no markings and these pups are now 2 years old plus (Lets call them Benny & Tara). When they were young they had all the markings & now as adults they dont have the markings. Benny & Tara's mother had good markings but the father was on the darker side but have markings.

Benny & Tara was mated to Tony (tony has good markings) and there pups also have good markings.

I would appreciate if someone can explained why Benny & Tara's markings dissappeared as they got older and if Benny & Tara's pups will have the same problem too.

Is this a problem originating from Benny & Tara's parents.

[brunie's mom]

Those two dogs without good marking should never have been bred. It's called "sooty markings" and it's a fault in the breed.

It is hereditary, and dogs without the proper marking should never be bred.

Gina

[SABELLESMOM]

Definately. A dog with sooty markings should not be bred. "Serious Faults: ...insufficient or sooty markings," is specifically listed in the breed standard.

[warriec]

I really wish i can post some pictures, they are appauling and some may not like them.

Noted that they are faults. So who's fault is it.

Tara & Benny's parents were well marked.

Tara & Benny not marked

Tara & Benny's off spring marked.

Who should not be bred.

[SABELLESMOM]

Originally Posted by warriec

I really wish i can post some pictures, they are appauling and some may not like them.

Who should not be bred.

None of them are suitable for breeding. They parents each carry the gene. Together, this sire and dam, produce unmarked looking sooty pups. Tara & Benny are themselves unmarked and sooty.

IMO, none of them meet the basic standard. Beyond that: Have they had OFA's? Do they have eye cert's? There is more to breeding than simply putting an AKC male with an AKC female.

I'm not a breeder, nor do I wish to be. There is so much to know. The ONLY way I would even remotely consider it with my girls is with a CH in front and Agility (because that's the venue I happen to like) titles aft! ...proper health cert's on ALL dogs, front and aft titles on the sire, AND the mentoring of a reputable COE breeder whom I trust.

[observer]

Simple answer? NONE OF THEM. Certainly not Tara or Benny, or their parents. The most recent pups are marked NOW, but based on the history of the parents (markings disappeared) who knows whether they also carry the problem.

[Weltterr]

If she is a breeder, she should have known better than to breed Benny and Tara. This is not the actions of a breeder who is interested in bettering the rottweiler breed.

[princessmom]

I found this post very interesting because Princess doesn't have markings or should I say that all she is is a great big marking. LOL. She's red all over. When she was given to us I had not the first clue of anything about Rottweilers. The breeders had kept her for a llittle over a year because she was "rare". I only knew these people through my son's best friend, he was their son. Anyway, the mom breeder decided she couldn't keep Princess anymore because she wouldn't stop chewing EVERYTHING up. (we trained her within 2 weeks). Anyway, I took her to the vet and he informed me that she was just a "red" rottie. I did some research on red rotties and found out they are caused by a recessive gene and that they should not be bred, which probably means that her parents should never have been bred as well. To me she is gorgeous and I wouldn't care if she was purple but this is just because she's my girl.

[Carol Burke]

Originally Posted by princessmom

I found this post very interesting because Princess doesn't have markings or should I say that all she is is a great big marking. LOL. She's red all over. When she was given to us I had not the first clue of anything about Rottweilers. The breeders had kept her for a llittle over a year because she was "rare". I only knew these people through my son's best friend, he was their son. Anyway, the mom breeder decided she couldn't keep Princess anymore because she wouldn't stop chewing EVERYTHING up. (we trained her within 2 weeks). Anyway, I took her to the vet and he informed me that she was just a "red" rottie. I did some research on red rotties and found out they are caused by a recessive gene and that they should not be bred, which probably means that her parents should never have been bred as well. To me she is gorgeous and I wouldn't care if she was purple but this is just because she's my girl.

Another one of the RARE RED Rotties. They are a disqualification, love your girl for who she is and be glad to have her.

[diane]

Hi i have a 15 week old puppy bitch, I was wondering if anyone could help me to find out for me, if the brown markings on her ears are normal as i have been told that when she grows her adult fur this will cover these markings. I will post a picture that shows you the marking of my puppy Whitney. Can you also have a look at the picture to tell if she is a pedigree rottie. Thanks

[SABELLESMOM]

Undercoats can be gray, tan, or black. But, They should not show thru the overcoat. Hopefully, Diane, that is what you see now, and her coat will fill in.

Princessmom,
You've every right to be very proud of your girl. You've built a relationship, she's smart, and I'd be a'lovin' her if she were mine too! Even purple! She IS simply gorgeous, unique, and yes! She's your girl! Enjoy!

[princessmom]

Thank you Sabellesmom, She's beautiful to me too. Most people don't even realize she's a rottie. My vet breeds rotties though so she is very aware of recessive genes and such. When we moved down here to MB the apartment complex allowed pets but not rotties or pit's. So when we moved in I told them I didn't know what breed she was. No problems what so ever.