Pedigree ??

[marianna]

Ok, so now I am helping a friend who is thinking of breeding his rottie. She has all health certificates, has been shown and titled.

He hasnt even started looking at studs, he wants to research her pedigree more and see if he can find more out on things like grandparents and great grandparents health before going any further.

He hardly speaks english (unbelievable I know) and since his girls parents are imports from the US I told him I would try to help!!

So what I have r the names of the dogs and then a number that starts with:AKCWP.

So where do I go from here?

Thanx all!!

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Originally Posted by marianna

Ok, so now I am helping a friend who is thinking of breeding his rottie. She has all health certificates, has been shown and titled.

He hasnt even started looking at studs, he wants to research her pedigree more and see if he can find more out on things like grandparents and great grandparents health before going any further.

He hardly speaks english (unbelievable I know) and since his girls parents are imports from the US I told him I would try to help!!

So what I have r the names of the dogs and then a number that starts with:AKCWP.

So where do I go from here?

Thanx all!!

What are all the health clearances the dog has? What are all the conformation and working titles the dog has? How old is the dog? Why does he want to breed?

[Sharon Marples]

He hasnt even started looking at studs, he wants to research her pedigree more and see if he can find more out on things like grandparents and great grandparents health before going any further.

That is refreshing to hear! Someone who actually wants to do research before running out and breeding!

So what I have r the names of the dogs and then a number that starts with:AKCWP.

That is the start of the AKC registration number of the dogs. If he goes to the OFA website, he will be able to put in the registration number and do a search to find out what health certifications are in place on those dogs that have a registration number. As well, it will list the sire and dam and siblings of the dogs, if they have had any OFA testing done.

If you are confused, post one of the registration numbers here and we will help you out with finding out the information that is available.

When you say that she has all her health certifications, is he talking about OFA certifications? I hope he is not just saying that his vet says the dog is healthy. That is NOT beig certified for health problems. She needs to have OFA (or certification that is avaiable in your country) for hips, elbows, heart and eyes.

What titles does his bitch have?

[marianna]

Hips excelent, Elbows clear and has had her heart checked. She has also been temperment tested.

She has 2 times won best dog in group, and is an Icelandic champion. Sorry but I do not know wich US titles this would mean.

She is 3 yrs old. IF she will be bred then it will only be 1 litter.

Our country has a population of 300.000. ppl. It is less than 10 yrs since breeds like rotties, dobies and such were even allowed into the country. We have one of the strictest animal import laws in the world today.
The cost of importing a rottie is never under 12.000 us $ and that does not include price of dog and maybe upkeeping since we r not allowed to import dogs younger than 5 months old.

There isnt actually a real rottie breeder in this country as of now.
Sadly by American standards all we have is a bunch of backyard breeders

The "breeder" that comes closest to not being a byb did a breeding where both parents where titled and shown but hips and elbows only came out mediocre. They had a waiting list of 30 ppl for their pups since this was the best breeding to be done in Iceland in many yrs.

My friend has not decided to go on with the breeding yet. That is why he asked for my help. He wants to know more about his dogs bloodlines before doing anything more. And even if that all checkes out there is a very big chance that he will not find the right stud for his bitch since good dogs here are few and even if he does find a good dog then there is a big chance that it is not a good match for his girl.

He is not very computer literate and hardly reads or speaks english so he asked me for help and since I do not know the first thing about breeding other than what I have learned here then I am asking u guys.

Also he will absolutely not breed her after 4 1/2 yrs old.

He wants to breed for the betterment of the breed, especially since we r in big trouble here in Iceland with rotties.

In the last year there where 8 breedings, one was the above mentioned, of the few that had health tests done none came up better than fair... a few actually had very bad results but bred anyway.

Only half of these litters even have a pedigree, that is the stud dogs used r from a very well known stud dog that is registered with a pedigree but has a breed ban on him due to only having 1 testicle. They went ahead and bred him anyways and the ppl that got the pups r breeding them.

It really is a mess!!

[Sharon Marples]

Has he thought about importing frozen semen to use on her? It may be a possibility, although he would have to do the research to find out if there are any vets there that would know how to thaw it properly and inseminate her correctly.

Or, though costly, he could fly her to another country, get her bred and then take her back home.

Just some alternatives. I would definitely NOT want to breed to something over there that did not have the health clearances or did not adhere to the breed standard (I can't believe they bred a dog with only one testicle and then are allowing his pups to be bred!)

Best of luck to him. I'm sure he appreciates your help!

[marianna]

Has he thought about importing frozen semen to use on her? It may be a possibility, although he would have to do the research to find out if there are any vets there that would know how to thaw it properly and inseminate her correctly.

Or, though costly, he could fly her to another country, get her bred and then take her back home.

Just some alternatives. I would definitely NOT want to breed to something over there that did not have the health clearances or did not adhere to the breed standard (I can't believe they bred a dog with only one testicle and then are allowing his pups to be bred!)

Best of luck to him. I'm sure he appreciates your help!

Taking her out of the country would mean Qaurantie for a month when he returns and costs of about 8-10.000 us$ I would never put my pregnant bitch through that, and if he would wait till after birth, he would then have to wait till pups r 5 months old and importing each pup will cost 8-10.000$ and with up to 10 pups I know this is not going to happen.

When you say that she has all her health certifications, is he talking about OFA certifications? I hope he is not just saying that his vet says the dog is healthy. That is NOT beig certified for health problems.

She was x-rayed in Iceland but since noone here is certified to give a certificate the x-rays are sent to Norway to be read, Heart is done here but sadly here in iceland like in many european countries eyes r not checked. As of now there is not one vet that is qaulified to do the eye test in Iceland!!

[Sharon Marples]

She was x-rayed in Iceland but since noone here is certified to give a certificate the x-rays are sent to Norway to be read, Heart is done here but sadly here in iceland like in many european countries eyes r not checked. As of now there is not one vet that is qaulified to do the eye test in Iceland

What a shame, it seems like EVERYTHING is working against breeding a nice, healthy litter! Best of luck to him.

[targonrotts]

you can probably purchase a pedigree from akc with her parents akc numbers. and like mentioned, you can probably go to www.offa.org and enter the akc number starting with the W...or type in the names and see what tests were done here on her background.

did you find out anything on frozen or chilled semen breedings...if you can have it shipped?

good luck to you guys!

[frontierrots]

You can also go to http://www.pawvillage.com and input the dogs names and see if they are in the database

[marianna]

Thanx for the info, I am going to look into it as soon as I get the time.

Right now we here in Iceland r in the middle of a really bad animal cruelty case and all time is kind of going in putting pressure on authorities.


I will most likely come back with more questíons on this pedigree thing later.



Thank u all again for ur time!!