Sickening just sickening-What newspaper ads from Puppy Mills look like

[TamieK]

Last Sunday I was reading the classifieds of my local paper and I always read the pets for sale. I would never buy a dog out of the paper -- I'm really into rescue. Well I came to the Rottweiler section and an ad for thirty (30) Rottweiler puppies. They were accepting deposits for these puppies. It just made me sick. It makes my skin crawl just thinking about it now. Well, I decided to look up their kennel on the net and was just sickened more and more. When I first looked it up, the first hit was they were looking for a "free to good home male to breed with their 5 (the infamous rott millers in Pennsylvania) females. I hope I don't get into trouble for using that I just wanted you to know who I meant. I came upon their website and the are breeding "german, american and K rottweilers which makes them huge. Then they go on about not being a puppymill. Excuse me then what are you?? I had someone more knowledgable email them about certifications and titles and they came back with "our puppies are healthy and they are inspected frequently and if their animals are sick they would be shut down" I don't think they had a clue what she was asking for. Just as sickening was they now have 3 or 4 pomeranians and cannot wait til they're a year old to breed them. I hope I'm allowed to put this in because maybe they will answer more knowledgable people. The kennel is in Derry, Pennsylvania. I'm kind of hoping someone can educate them a little.

[bleh60]

omg that IS just gross. I've heard there are a lot of bad BYB's in Pensylvania.

[Pullo]

It is terrible unfortunately it seems to happen way to often. If you can call the pennsylvania aspca and see if there is a pet limit per household. If so report them as horders. It might not do much but its a start. They might even need a bussiness licence to breed that many dogs. Good luck hope you can stop um or at least slow them down.

[zorro13]

Woo, that sounds like puppy mill h*e*l*l. I'm wondering if they are placing ads throughout PA? I have seen ads like that, one week it's 40 pups, the next week it's down to 20; same phone number even. I'm gonna have to call them up one day. There seems to be another one on the PA/Ohio border or thereabouts, they seem to have an endless supply of pups each week as well.

[Shelly Wentling]

This is the real Shelly Wentling of
Wentling Mountain Kennels

I'm not quit sure why tamiek is slandering my kennels, she has never been on my land nor has she ever seen my kennels...the wardens where here on the 18th of april which was yesterday, we are a class 4 at this time and soon to be a class 5, i do have a licences...we do not sell unhealthy rottweilers nor do i give my dogs away.

we are very angry that our good name is beeing slandered, we only sell top quality, show quality background, OFA, well-tempered rottweilers...

if you are interested then please feel free to call us and i will answer any question that you may have.

tammie k you are not far for where we are located i welcome you to come to my kennels and see for yourself.

our real website is: www.wentlingmountainkennels.webpage66.com

[Shelly Wentling]

hello, I'm the kennel that you are talking about...i welcome anyone to call me and make an appointment to come see us for yourself...we are not a puppy-mill...please come see our well tempered rotties

[Shelly Wentling]

Originally Posted by TamieK

Last Sunday I was reading the classifieds of my local paper and I always read the pets for sale. I would never buy a dog out of the paper -- I'm really into rescue. Well I came to the Rottweiler section and an ad for thirty (30) Rottweiler puppies. They were accepting deposits for these puppies. It just made me sick. It makes my skin crawl just thinking about it now. Well, I decided to look up their kennel on the net and was just sickened more and more. When I first looked it up, the first hit was they were looking for a "free to good home male to breed with their 5 (the infamous rott millers in Pennsylvania) females. I hope I don't get into trouble for using that I just wanted you to know who I meant. I came upon their website and the are breeding "german, american and K rottweilers which makes them huge. Then they go on about not being a puppymill. Excuse me then what are you?? I had someone more knowledgable email them about certifications and titles and they came back with "our puppies are healthy and they are inspected frequently and if their animals are sick they would be shut down" I don't think they had a clue what she was asking for. Just as sickening was they now have 3 or 4 pomeranians and cannot wait til they're a year old to breed them. I hope I'm allowed to put this in because maybe they will answer more knowledgable people. The kennel is in Derry, Pennsylvania. I'm kind of hoping someone can educate them a little.

hello,
I AM THE OWNER OF THIS KENNEL THAT YOU ARE SLANDERING...I asure you people that we are not selling unhealthy rottweilers and we do not know why we are bening slandering by this woman...we do not give dogs away to free homes, (that was not our add.) We sell top quality pups, AKC, OFA, SHOW QUALITY back ground well-tempered pups...we are very angry that you would write such untrue things about our kennels...WE have contacted our layer and you will be handle accordingly...

We welcome you personilty Tamie K to call and make an appointment to come visit our kennels before you pass judgement on us...I understand that you are not to far for us to come and visit. We are a class 4 kennels, we do have a license... Our warden was here the night that this was posted and we passed with flying colors...

we have indoor outdoor kennels and all puppies are born in my home in a whelping room, never outside or inside kennels...I have own rottweilers for 15 years and been breeding for 8...I do have alot of knowledge on rottweilers and iI also have a vet back ground...

SO HOW CAN YOU CALL US PUPPY MILLERS...how about doing what I did and watch out for the real puppy millers, and yes, we are the largest rottweiler breeders in western Pa. We have 53 rotties on our land, and just for the record people, I skip one female 2 to 4 heats before i breed her again...so yes, I have done my homework...

Shelly Wentling

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by Shelly Wentling

hello, I'm the kennel that you are talking about...i welcome anyone to call me and make an appointment to come see us for yourself...we are not a puppy-mill...please come see our well tempered rotties

Sadly you are a puppy mill.....it may be a clean puppy mill...put a puppy mill
You do not health testing on the dogs you breed..this means OFA health certification on hips, elbows, eyes and hearts....not a check-up by your vet.
You do not show or work the dogs that you breed...and you are breeding dogs that are out of standard...eg. dogs that are WAY oversized.
They have to titles....either Championships or Obedience or Schuzhund or Agility ,etc. How do you know that your dogs are worthy of being bred?

Just because they have a penis and a uterus, and have AKC registration does not mean that they should be bred.

Please read on the "stickies" all of the threads about what a good breeder does. Do not produce anymore poorly bred, out of standard puppies...that end of in shelters and rescues.
There are thousands of good Rottweilers dying because of the lack of good, permanant homes. I'm sure that 50% of the pup's you produce end up in shelters or rescue.

GRRRR...
Gina

[godfreyc]

Honestly I don't know that I've ever heard so many untrue things about the breed in one place. Not only is it stated the German Rottweilers and American Rottweilers are actually different but to top it off we've added another "type" of rottweiler the much desired Old Kimbertal rottweiler apparently the first rottie brought to the north

[AlphaLeader]

Well, with 53 dogs, skipping 2 to 4 heats for each female sure wouldn't produce a hardship for you. I don't believe half of what you said. That's insane.

I feel for your dogs... At the very least, you can't possibly spend time with 53 dogs on a dialy basis so I am sure they're just sitting in kennels with little or no human interaction. How can you possibly know their temperament?

You're a puppy mill and as such should be closed down.

[TamieK]

Okay, say it is slander all you want. When I googled your kennel to check it out, the first thing that came up is you needed a male to breed to your five (5) kimbertal females and wanted free to good home in response to an ad. When I checked out your site you were breeding German, American and Kimbertal rottweilers Anyone knows there is no difference in American and German -- depends on where they are born. Kimbertal is, well we all know what Kimbertal is here. Not SLANDER the truth!! It's right on your website. I invite anyone on here to google the kennel and you will get the same thing I did.

[AlphaLeader]

Originally Posted by TamieK

Okay, say it is slander all you want. When I googled your kennel to check it out, the first thing that came up is you needed a male to breed to your five (5) kimbertal females and wanted free to good home in response to an ad. When I checked out your site you were breeding German, American and Kimbertal rottweilers Anyone knows there is no difference in American and German -- depends on where they are born. Kimbertal is, well we all know what Kimbertal is here. Not SLANDER the truth!! It's right on your website. I invite anyone on here to google the kennel and you will get the same thing I did.

I did... and that's what I saw, too.

[observer]

And what does "OFA background" mean? That your pups have a dog somewhere in their pedigree that has an OFA certificate with some sort of rating on it? Means next to nothing, if that's what you are talking about. You are looking for a FREE male to breed your FIVE females to? You are not talking about breeding any kind of quality puppies. If you were, you would have titles and OFA certs behind BOTH parents, and you wouldn't have thirty to sell at one time. And, you wouldn't be casting around for a "free" male to breed your own dogs to.

Same for "show quality background"? So what? Doesn't say anything about actual titles. And, AKC papers alone don't mean very much.

I don't care if you have a kennel license or not. Someone with 53 mutts can get a kennel license.

[TamieK]

Thank you Alpha. Wow my message was too short. I could go on forever about just such topics. How about the Pomeranians that they cannot wait until they are a year old to breed!!

[Sharon Marples]

If you think we are being so hard on you and slandering you, then we will give you a chance to redeem yourself.

Please provide the following:

1) The full names of the five bitches you are using for breeding. Or, their full AKC registration numbers

2) Titles they have earned in the working rings or breed rings.

3) Full names of both the sire and dam of each of the five bitches.

4) Terms of your contract (you can cut and paste the entire contract into a thread here). You say you guarantee pups for a year. Where does that get anyone when you can't even x-ray for OFA for hips and elbows until the dog is 24 months of age? Makes you think that you look good, and to the uneducated public, it makes you look good, but what does it do for your clients when their dogs turn up with multiple health problems?

It's amazing that you offer tons of refutable advice on your website, but no where do you offer copies of the health certificates on the dogs you are breeding or even their pedigrees. Heck, you don't even list them individually so we can see pictures of them. Just because you whelp them in your home does not mean you are not a puppy mill. A good, ethical breeder will title and get health certifications on all their stock prior to breeding them. They will also research pedigrees and breed to produce the healthiest and best tempered pups they can. By you advertising for a stud for your five bitches without caring what titles he has, what health certs he has and what pedigree he has, it proves that you don't care a bit about what you are producing, you are only in it for the $$$$

And that is what I call a BACK YARD BREEDER

You may fool the uneducated public and I'm sure you will continue to do so, but you cannot fool the educated breed lovers on this forum site.