Sickening just sickening-What newspaper ads from Puppy Mills look like

[Valentine]

Breed for Quality not Quantity :D

[KellyR]

There are pictures of bottle feeding a large puppy on that site. Why would that be necessary if the bitches were healthy?

This just makes me sad.

[moz205]

I guess the name of this game is quantity and not quality. It's really pretty simple, you cannot charge premium price on dogs that do not have all the coveted certifications, pedigree etc so charge less, but sell more. There doesn't seem to be a code of ethics involved with this "kennel". I would like to thank them in showing all that puppymills are in full force. As long as there is someone willing to buy from these byb's and mills, they will continue to do business. I would suspect that many buyers are easily smoozed due to their ignorance and lack of knowledge. It's like taking candy from a baby and there are obviously many who are right there to take advantage. The website speaks for itself.

[Pullo]

First of all please stop calling us ignorant. You might not like what we are saying about your kennel but that does not make any of us ignorant. Please do more homework on top of the line rottweiller breeders and you will see that you actually are a puppymill. You might love all of your dogs but if you are not in it to better the breed then you are actually hurting the rottweiler breed. We wouldnt be upset if we didnt love and respect this breed, and for you not to want to prove your dogs worth to us because we are not buying them shows you are not proud them. Dont just come on here and say stop being rude. Answer some questions but I guess you couldnt do that with a straight face. I guess we cannott stop you from breeding and I am sure we wont since it sounds like a money cow. But we can help steer people away from puppymills like yours no matter how nice or clean they are.

[webangel2b]

Interesting, they pulled the website.

You need it to sell pups so why would you pull it down if you have nothing to hide? I do know this - my next Rott will not come from your farm.

[rottcrazed]

First of all please stop calling us ignorant

It is better known as 'the pot calling the kettle black'.

If they pulled the site, you know they are letting a little of this sink in.

You may or may not watch Dr. Phil, but one thing he says rings true here:

People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

Doesn't that speak volumes?

Kristi

[lbraxton]

I was able to go their website. It wasn't pulled. I copied the link and pasted it in my address bar and went right to the site.

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong/right?????????? :)

[brunie's mom]

Hopefully what we have had to say has made an impact.
If not with the person owning the puppymill but members reading this thread.

Yes...this is a puppymill....it may be a clean puppymill, and the dogs taken care of...but to me anyone that churns out pups like this is a mill. They are nothing but puppy farmers....to them it is like breeding cows or pigs...and selling to whoever pays them the market price. I also imagine that most of their income comes from these dogs.

We have Mennonites setting up in our area...that are starting to do this...breeding dogs and selling them like livestock. Their mentality is different, and I honestly don't think they understand that they are doing anything wrong.

It would be nice to hear from rescues and shelters in the area...and find out how many of this puppymills dogs come to them. Churning out that many pups, I would imagine about 50% are not in their original homes by the age of 1.

Till we educate potential puppy buyers not to buy from puppymills and BYB's, or the laws change and become more strict on people breeding...we just have to do what we keep doing.

Gina

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by lbraxton

I was able to go their website. It wasn't pulled. I copied the link and pasted it in my address bar and went right to the site.

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong/right?????????? :)

The site is still live.

If anyone still has doubts about the "quality" of the operation, consider this from the site:

We have sold many puppies on [name of online seller of dogs] and if you would like to see what puppies we have for sale as of now then log on and check it out.

[Agenias]

"Breed: Rottweiler
Sex: Female
Birthdate: 03-01-2007 (7 weeks)
Champion bloodlines: No
Champion sired: No

Price: $900 USD Buy with confidence
Shipping area: United States
What's included: Registered/registerable (AKC, NKC, etc.), Current vaccinations, Veterinarian examination, Health certificate, Health guarantee, Pedigree, Travel crate
Additional information: this is a very layed back female father tank is
ofa...he comes with akc, pedigree papers, dog food
and one yr health replacement...if interested call
wentling mountain kennels 724 537 2163 or email me
at damama4ever@aol.com...we also
breed pomeranians...Wentling Mountain Kennels



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Wentling Mountain Kennels
Location: Derry, PA, United States
Telephone: 724 537 2163
Website: Wentling Mountain Kennels
We take pride in our rottweilers,ofa checked,akc papers,pedigree papers
and one year health guanrantee...we"


Sooooo... the "breeder" is selling the pups at 7 weeks as well. Thought most 'reputable' breeders didn't sell until at least 8 weeks for socialization purposes???

[lbraxton]

Actually, you can get the pups at 7 weeks. A lot of breeders let the pups go between 7-8 weeks. The place just doesn't sit well w/me.

[spidey]

There's nothing wrong with letting puppies go at 7 weeks (but NO earlier), and many clubs specifically include this age as the earliest allowable in their code of ethics. The problems with this kennel are enormous, but letting puppies go at 7 weeks isn't one of them.

[hokisteph5]

Originally Posted by spidey

The problems with this kennel are enormous, but letting puppies go at 7 weeks isn't one of them.

Well, the one site I saw where they were advertising their puppies at had them selling puppies ranging in age from 6-8 weeks old. Not sure if they would be going home at 6 weeks of age, though.

[Shelly Wentling]

Originally Posted by observer

Let's quote your site:

This is Lila. Lila is Barrons love. She has had many liters in the past few years. Lila put out very adorable BIG puppies. Unfortunitly she can no longer have puppies. We had to retire her and sale her to a good home. Lila is now living in alabamaI

"Many litters in the past few years". "many adorable BIG puppies" Doesn't sound like three, but if it is, it doesn't sound like she got a lot of rest in between. Perhaps that is why she got ill. Dogs need plenty of time off in between litters. How old was she when she had each of these "many" litters. And, again, the emphasis on size. Or, perhaps, oversize?

My reference is to your SELLING this dog when she could no longer have puppies safely and you "decided to take her out of your breeding program". You didn't keep her and love her, or GIVE her to a loving home. You had to SELL her. It's all about the money, in the end, it seems. THAT'S what I'm talking about.

This information we are concerned about is coming from YOUR website. We are not making it up.

And, you still won't answer directly about OFA certs on your breeding dogs. Tells me you don't have them. And that makes you a large scale back yard breeder. Kennel license or not, that's a puppy mill by my definition. Certainly not an ethical breeder truly concerned about the breed or the long term health of the puppies. Your one year guarantee speaks volumes about that, too. OFA certs can't be done until a dog is two. If one of your buyers discovers a defect after a year, well, too bad for them, it seems.

Ethical breeders will do OFA certs on hips, heart, eyes, thyroid, on breeding stock and share that info with their buyers. They hardly ever own both sire and dam, as they are truly trying to improve the breed by analyzing the pedigrees and health and show/working records of both parents and produce the best possible litter in terms of freedom from genetic defects, conformation, temperament, and proper size (NOT oversize according to the AKC standard) And, they will guarantee for at least two years. Never mind that they will also get conformation and/or obedience or other working titles on their dogs and further prove that they are worthy of breeding. AKC papers, and "OFA and show quality background" are not enough to prove that a dog is worthy of breeding to improve the breed and produce dogs that will live long healthy lives.

Read some of the threads here about the heartbreak of dogs dropping dead from SAS (a heart defect) or suffering from hip or elbow dysplasia or eye defects. Many, if not most, of those dogs came from back yard breeders who didn't do their homework and do the work required to use the RIGHT dogs for breeding. And, they didn't guarantee their pups at all, or for no more than a year. We see situations like this all the time. Most of those BYBs aren't producing the volume of puppies that you are. And that just magnifies the problem.

first off my daughter did the website she was only 15 at the time...she did not know how many litters lila had cause she wasn't involved in our company then....she is almost 18 now and she is well aware of the some wrong things on the website that she will soon fix...now that she has the facts...

i do thank you for your concern, but you now nothing about anything that goes on here...you all think you do!!! I can't even get mad anymore at you people I just have to laugh at you all now...

I am one of the top breeders in western pa. and I can't help to feel sorry for you people that have nothing better to do with you lives...

I love to learn, and when you decide that the slandering will stop , then teach me about the rottweiler I love soooo much I want to keep as a family...I know for a fact none of my rottie have been in any resuces.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by Shelly Wentling

I am one of the top breeders in western pa.

This is a sincere question, Shelly - what does it take to be a "top" breeder? And by whose definition have you been deemed one? Simple enough to answer, yes?