Sickening just sickening-What newspaper ads from Puppy Mills look like

[JoJo]

Another case of an impatient, "I want what I want, when I want it." Will selfishness and greed never end?

Only when mankind seize to exist!

I'm with Gina, keep on repeating, for something has got to stick! Always have hope.

[Valentine]

Guys, I think Marcos learned his lesson....now if only he will have her spayed to PROVE that he has no intentions on breeding her, then I am sure we will all be happy...right?

But let me add this Marcos....you say there are no rotties in the shelter? I may be in Saskatchewan, but finding a rott is NOT impossible if you HAVE PATIENCE...don't worry i'm not bashing you, whats done is done and I HOPE you learned your lesson!

Look, there are 3 rotties in my local shelter and a bunch of rottie mixes....Impossible to find a rott? NOT!! lol

Saskatoon SPCA adoptable animals Scroll down to the dog section.

I think that "mindset" Harleychik was talking about is "it's impossible to find a good rottie". It is not. You just need patience. So learn from your experience Marcos, and instead of telling yourself, "it's impossible", tell yourself "it IS possible, with patience". You cannot rush "good things" to happen. Sometimes you just have to wait for the opportunity to fall into your hands

Also, if you think about it Marcos, how much money do the COE breeders put into thier dogs? Shows, Health Clearances, Registration...then when the pups come along, Shots, MORE registration, vet visits etc....all these things, most BYBs do not do.
My BYB uncle has two breeding dogs who have NEVER seen the vet.
Yes it may cost alot of money if you want a show prospect puppy...but if you're wanting a pet quality, most breeders will just re-home them for a price, then when you get them speutered, they will give your money back! It's all about waiting deary....next time, just have a little patience

[harleychik66]

Marcos- Valentine is correct in what I meant by mindset.

Keep in mind the judgement you see per say is not so much due to the fact that you got a dog from a BYB. Many people on this site have dogs they have gotten from BYB because at the time they didn't know any better. (and yes my 1st rottie was from a BYB 19 yrs ago)

The problem I/we have is that since you have come here to learn you still try to justify the BYB's. Although you may care very much for your pup, many of the pups sold from these places end up in shelters. Why? because people didn't know what they were getting into, health problems they couldn't afford and the like. These so called breeders don't care about the dogs so much as the money they pocket, and when people keep paying, they keep breeding. Do you see a vicious cycle here?

I truely hope your pups heart problem doesn't get any worse. I feel for you both. Your pup because she may never be able to experience life to the fullest and you for the added stress of caring for an unhealthy dog.

[MarcosAnya]

Hey Valentine,
thx for some understanding...
She is too young to be spayed. However, I will do it once she`s 4 months, hopefuly before her first heat.

SPCA here is mostly empty, and very rarely has any Rotts... and it`s even rarer to see a rot puppy (what I was looking for). Check for yourself...

P.S. I`ll post pictures soon, even tough she`s still a lill pup... I think she will grow to be a good looking Rottweiler. Mummy was 90, and the stud was 130.

harleychik66,
I trully hope she will grow out of that heart problem. Also, I don`t think ur such harsh judgment of me is justified since you need to realise that not everyone has the knowlege or the experiance as most of you people visiting this forum. I realise my mistake, I wasn`t looking for a BYB on purpose so I can support them. They are pretty much the only option outhere for any average buyer! I`m not justifieng myself, I`m telling you how it is out here and I now realise that it`s NOT good! Honestly I felt attacked by you people... like if I comited a crime or something. Insted of judging, try to understand...

In any case, why isn`t anyone doing anything about this here in Canada? After all laws are invented by people, so why not vote for one such law that would regulate breeders?

[TrinaJ]

This is the first time i have read this thread and was shocked. So i thought i'd take a look at their website, which i couldn't find. I did however find an adv for 55 puppies @ $900 (that's like $49,500!!!)

Each of these puppies come with their tails REMOVED! Not docked, REMOVED! You'd think that any Breeder or rotty lover would know that the correct term was docked!

[RottsNScotts]

Originally Posted by MarcosAnya

you need to realise that not everyone has the knowlege or the experiance as most of you people visiting this forum.

What we realize is that most people spend more time researching what car they are going to buy than information about the dog they want! Which, on the face of it, makes NO sense since most have their cars for 3 to 4 years before getting a new one while the dog should be around for 10 to 11 (in Rotties)!

[TrinaJ]

Originally Posted by RottsNScotts

What we realize is that most people spend more time researching what car they are going to buy than information about the dog they want! Which, on the face of it, makes NO sense since most have their cars for 3 to 4 years before getting a new one while the dog should be around for 10 to 11 (in Rotties)!

I agree 100%. If people spent half as much time researching what dog would be best suited to their home as they do on what style of car they want to buy there would be a hell of a lot less dogs in shelters looking for new homes. Its disgusting and infuriating. Half of the people dont even realise how large their dog is going to grow. To me that's just ignorant and asking for trouble.

BTW i have also found that the BYB's (by reading the local paper etc) seem to be charging as much as a COE breeder. This would definately confuse the uneducated buyer. They are spending good money on a dog so may have the mindset that they must be reputable.

[rottielover2004]

Ok, coming from Quebec myself, I have to say, even though we are capital of canada for puppymills, and BYB, there are only a couple of real breeders here in quebec. I only met them after I got Harley. Harley was from Ontario, and still not my best choice.
Rottweilers in rescues here are VERY few and far between, I looked for 2 years. None would suit what I needed if I ever did find one.
So yes I see her frustration, But you do not have to get a dog from our province, there are reasonable priced breeders pretty close to outside Quebec( I did not find one till after).
I took what I have learned here, and started making friends in the rottweiler community. Gone to shows, asked breeders questions, so I now know what to look for when I do decide on another dog.
I can tell you.....You will definetly spend more money on a BYB dog in the long run( I know for fact) than saving up, adding your name on a list for a well bred dog.
I am sorry you and I both did not find this site sooner. They have been a great help for Harley and I, I now know what not to look for, and patience is truly the key

[Marcino]

[/quote]I wasn`t looking for a BYB on purpose so I can support them. They are pretty much the only option outhere for any average buyer!QUOTE]

So take a drive! I know for myself my next rott will come from a COE breeder... I don't care if I have to drive from Quebec to California

With everything I have learned through this forum, NEVER would I support a BYB again. Like Karen says (RottieLover2004)... a BYB dog ends up costing you so much more in the end and I speak from experience. I purchased my boy almost 3 years ago from a pet store because I "felt bad" for the little guy. Needless to say I paid a whopping 2,000 for a poorly bred dog with tons of health issues. Thank god he has the sweetest disposition and has not displayed any termperment issues. At 9 months we found out that he had moderate HD (we had him x-rayed when he went in to be neutered). Since then it has been pretty much downhill... My savings have gone out the window.

Like others have said... hopefully you have learned, that is what is most important!

Vanessa & Marcino

[cerulean]

Although my hubby and I are definately lower income, we spent "nearly a month's income" for our puppy from a great COE breeder. While we were looking for a pup we became convinced that it would cost less in the long-run, due to health care costs.

But mostly, we wanted a member of our family that would have a great temperament, never have genetic aggression problems, so that she could be with us as long as possible. We decided that it was worth a lot of money and we can "do without" a lot of things like new clothes or electric heat, but we can't "do without" a good dog.

that's just us, but we're grateful to RDN for educating us !!!

[Maxxx]

Originally Posted by MarcosAnya

Oh yea... had a 2h drive to North Ontario to pick up my puppy!

I can`t aford to pay a minimum of 1000$ cash for a puppy from a reputable breeder.

We got our puppy just outside of Ottawa from a COE breeder. So there are some in your area. We drove almost 6 hours to pick him up. We also waited a year for him and I spent a year before that researching the breed and looking for a reputable breeder. I also had a vet before picking him up and already knew where to take him for classes.

If you can't afford $1000+ for a dog, how do you expect to afford medical bills, training, food, toys? One of the reasons breeders charge the prices they do is to make sure you can afford to take care of them once they join your family.

[MarcosAnya]

Originally Posted by Maxxx

If you can't afford $1000+ for a dog, how do you expect to afford medical bills, training, food, toys? One of the reasons breeders charge the prices they do is to make sure you can afford to take care of them once they join your family.

I never said that I can`t afford to take care of the puppy, where did you read that?!

[MarcosAnya]

With everything I have learned through this forum, NEVER would I support a BYB again. [/quote]

Like I said, I wish I had joined here sonner :)

[TrinaJ]

well you have found this place now and there is no going back

[Rodeovixxen]

Originally Posted by Maxxx

If you can't afford $1000+ for a dog, how do you expect to afford medical bills, training, food, toys? One of the reasons breeders charge the prices they do is to make sure you can afford to take care of them once they join your family.

Lets be realistic here. Not being able to paying 1000+ for a dog is not the same as not being able to take care of the dog. Taking care of a dog is a pay as you go thing, as we all know. Paying for the dog is a all at once thing, unless you get lucky like I did and your breeder lets you make payments. But that does not happen very often. Give the guy a break, he is here and is trying to learn.