Sickening just sickening-What newspaper ads from Puppy Mills look like

[Barb and Raven]

Originally Posted by princessmom

????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What state are they in??? Isn't there a law against puppy mills? This just bothers the punk out of me and I can't imagine anybody reading that and thinking this could possibly be okay. Maybe some people think they're going to "save" a puppy by buying it from a puppy mill but they're just contributing to the reason that the mill is existing in the first place. I am truly saddened by this.

They are in PA. The same state where Kimbertal is located....maybe they are relatives!!? PA is also the state with all those Amish puppy mills. It would be nice if that state would crack down on all these pathetic
"breeders" looking to make a quick dollar at the cost of innocent animals. To have 55 puppies for sale at this time is sickening. And now with the economy as bad as it is they will have a hard time finding homes for them. I've read that there are people whose homes have been forelosed on moving out and leaving their pets behind in the homes or tied in the yard to fend for themselves and some have died!!!! 55 PUPPIES!!!!!!!

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by princessmom

...Isn't there a law against puppy mills?

The only law is that of supply and demand.

Millers and BYBs will continue to do what they do as long as there are soft-hearted, naive, or impatient people who buy their sad, substandard products.

[MarcosAnya]

their website is shut down

[MarcosAnya]

okey,
after reading 30 and some pages I felt like I needed to add this:

In my part of Canada (east) it is truly HARD to find rottweilers to buy, ANY rottweilers - BYB or not. (for a decent price ofcoarce) I recently got mine from, what is clear to me now, is a BYB. His Bitch had no papers at all (but was looking up to standards, and was examined prior he decided to go on with the repruduction), and the stud was not present but I was assured that he payed for the service of that stud and that he was from a good bloodline. Eager to get my rottie, I didn`t care much....

I must say that It took me 3 months of contineus search to buy or addopt a rott. puppy. I visited douzens of shalters and rescue places in vain. ALOT of pointless phonecalls to paper adds, the puppies seemed to be solled before they were even born! And I`m not exagerating....

The price of a puppy from a BYB starts at 500$ and goes up to 1000$. There are reputable kanels that ask from 1500$ to 6000$ for a puppy! Clearely, too much for an average person who wants a rottie, only to be a part of his family.

What I wanted to tell you guys with all this is that I understand the importance of selective breathing. But most of you don`t seem to understand that most of us (average people) don`t want-can`t afford a show quality puppy, but only a mate to play around with - a household dog. And I`m afraid that BYB will continue to trive in North America until all of you selective breathers with all the perfect dogs decide to drop down your prices so anyone can enjoy a healthy puppy!

I don`t judge me, I`m on your side... just understand in what position the average buyer is put in.

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by MarcosAnya

okey,
after reading 30 and some pages I felt like I needed to add this:

In my part of Canada (east) it is truly HARD to find rottweilers to buy, ANY rottweilers - BYB or not. (for a decent price ofcoarce) I recently got mine from, what is clear to me now, is a BYB. His Bitch had no papers at all (but was looking up to standards, and was examined prior he decided to go on with the repruduction), and the stud was not present but I was assured that he payed for the service of that stud and that he was from a good bloodline. Eager to get my rottie, I didn`t care much....

I must say that It took me 3 months of contineus search to buy or addopt a rott. puppy. I visited douzens of shalters and rescue places in vain. ALOT of pointless phonecalls to paper adds, the puppies seemed to be solled before they were even born! And I`m not exagerating....

The price of a puppy from a BYB starts at 500$ and goes up to 1000$. There are reputable kanels that ask from 1500$ to 6000$ for a puppy! Clearely, too much for an average person who wants a rottie, only to be a part of his family.

What I wanted to tell you guys with all this is that I understand the importance of selective breathing. But most of you don`t seem to understand that most of us (average people) don`t want-can`t afford a show quality puppy, but only a mate to play around with - a household dog. And I`m afraid that BYB will continue to trive in North America until all of you selective breathers with all the perfect dogs decide to drop down your prices so anyone can enjoy a healthy puppy!

I don`t judge me, I`m on your side... just understand in what position the average buyer is put in.

It's too bad that you did not look a little harder or join here...we could have steered you to the right place to find either a well bred Rottweiler or a rescue.
Where about in Canada do you live?...it seems there are no shortages of Rottweilers that need homes...and I was involved in rescue for years.

You can often get a well bred pet/companion Rottweiler puppy from a good breeder here in Canada from about $800. and up...not much more than a BYB pup. All the puppies born from a COE breeder will not be show material, and often the breeder just wants to find a great home for a puppy...or a puppy is returned and a breeder looks for a good place to re-home their puppy.

Sad, that you filled the pockets of a BYB...now that they made money...they will be breeding their dog all over again.

I would suggest you join the Rottweiler Club of Canada or at least go to their website for information.

The little money you spent on your BYB puppy...may be made up for it, in health and temperament problems down the road. Unless the sire and dam of your pup have OVC certifcations or OFA then you do not know about future hip, elbow, heart and eye problems. Any so called "breeder" that allowed his stud to breed with an unpapered, unregistered bitch....is also a BYB...that has no clue of what the standard of the breed is.

Sorry...to come down so hard...but there really is no excuse for buying from a BYB.

Gina

[MarcosAnya]

It`s all good you weren`t that hard on me hehe :)

I live In Gatineau, QC, Canada. I payed 600$ for my cutie, + I had to provide for her first shots. And like I said, even after joining here and reading all about BYB, I still feel lucky to own a Rottweiler at all! It took me 3 months to find him. It seems as if there are simply not many Rottweilers in my area. Oh yea... had a 2h drive to North Ontario to pick up my puppy!

I understand that it will probably add-up at the end of the road (in medical expenses), but again... I can`t aford to pay a minimum of 1000$ cash for a puppy from a reputable breeder. Those are the prices, belive me I know it all too well. :)

However, I admit... If I joined here prior that I got the pup. I wouldof probably waited until the summer and get the 1000$ one from a local breeder. Still, lets not miss the point that it is toooo expensive for any average buyer!

Finaly, my vet tolled me that my puppy has a heart murmur (type 1 or 2, on a scale that goes up to 6). We need to wait until she`s (atleast) 4 months to know if she`s going to have any complications because of it. I just hope it disapeirs or stays at that level.

have a good day

[harleychik66]

Originally Posted by MarcosAnya

okey,
after reading 30 and some pages I felt like I needed to add this:

In my part of Canada (east) it is truly HARD to find rottweilers to buy, ANY rottweilers - BYB or not. (for a decent price ofcoarce) I recently got mine from, what is clear to me now, is a BYB. His Bitch had no papers at all (but was looking up to standards, and was examined prior he decided to go on with the repruduction), and the stud was not present but I was assured that he payed for the service of that stud and that he was from a good bloodline. Eager to get my rottie, I didn`t care much....

I must say that It took me 3 months of contineus search to buy or addopt a rott. puppy. I visited douzens of shalters and rescue places in vain. ALOT of pointless phonecalls to paper adds, the puppies seemed to be solled before they were even born! And I`m not exagerating....

The price of a puppy from a BYB starts at 500$ and goes up to 1000$. There are reputable kanels that ask from 1500$ to 6000$ for a puppy! Clearely, too much for an average person who wants a rottie, only to be a part of his family.

What I wanted to tell you guys with all this is that I understand the importance of selective breathing. But most of you don`t seem to understand that most of us (average people) don`t want-can`t afford a show quality puppy, but only a mate to play around with - a household dog. And I`m afraid that BYB will continue to trive in North America until all of you selective breathers with all the perfect dogs decide to drop down your prices so anyone can enjoy a healthy puppy!

I don`t judge me, I`m on your side... just understand in what position the average buyer is put in.

Why did you have to have a dog right now? What made it so important?

Three months is not a long time at all. Many people spend longer than that just researching the breed, and many people wait over a year to get a pup from a coe breeder or even a rescue. Many years ago I waited 8 months to find the "right" dog that would work with my family and lifestyle at our local shelter.

You say you are an average person, yet the rottie is not an average breed.

You complain about the cost of a pup, yet what about vet bills, training, food ect. That $6000 pup will seem like a bargain when the untested pup with no health background has HD or eye problems or a myriad of other health issues that plague this breed.

No not judging you at all. Just trying to make you understand that as long as people have the mindset that you do and keep going to BYB's there will continue to be be far to many unhealthy, untested, untrained, unwanted dogs.

[harleychik66]

Gina- I was typing as you were posting. When my response came up I saw that many of our responses were the same. Sorry for the repeat.

[AngelBunny]

Great that you lined the pockets of a BYB, MarcosAnya.

Great that you contributed to the production of what is at best a mediocre litter of puppies.

All because you thought three months of searching was too long.

Another case of an impatient, "I want what I want, when I want it." Will selfishness and greed never end?

Don't bother lecturing me.

Go over to the Rescue forum and see all my postings.

[MarcosAnya]

Originally Posted by harleychik66

Why did you have to have a dog right now? What made it so important?

Three months is not a long time at all. Many people spend longer than that just researching the breed, and many people wait over a year to get a pup from a coe breeder or even a rescue. Many years ago I waited 8 months to find the "right" dog that would work with my family and lifestyle at our local shelter.

You say you are an average person, yet the rottie is not an average breed.

You complain about the cost of a pup, yet what about vet bills, training, food ect. That $6000 pup will seem like a bargain when the untested pup with no health background has HD or eye problems or a myriad of other health issues that plague this breed.

No not judging you at all. Just trying to make you understand that as long as people have the mindset that you do and keep going to BYB's there will continue to be be far to many unhealthy, untested, untrained, unwanted dogs.

Listne, I have no intention of arguing here. You seem so pissed at me because I`m saying that a puppy with proper background costs too much for me. Why? I don`t think it`s fair to charge more then 1000$ for any puppy that will live his life in an ordinary home, no. Sorry but that is my opinion.
Then you imply that I shouldn`t have a Rottweiler since I`m an ordinary guy?! Again, I have no intention to agrue with you. Rottweilers are not alien speacies, and I belive that any ordinary person can have a happy and well behaved rottie as long as everything is provided for the dog and an adecuate training is inforced.
Finaly, I don`t see what `mindset` did I display in your eyes. I said that selective breeding is a smart, responsable and a good way to better Rottweilers. I`m not going to be breeding my female Rottweiler. What I said is that in these parts of Canada, it is VERY hard (if not imposible) to find a rottweiler puppy with good background and not pay the big price. Happy or not, that is the reality. And it will continue to be this way, until all the responsable breeders decide to cut on their prices. (in my opinion)

I would like to add, that this was my first time buying a puppy and I wouldof been way better of.. if I had read all of the information on this website prior purchasing from a BYB. Also, I had a rottweiler for 8 years while I was living in Germany. I got her from a friend that couldn`t care for her when she was 10 months. A car killed her when she was about 9yrs old. 5 yrs passed before I felt ready to buy another dog (now), belive me tears still come to my eyes whenever I think about her.

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by MarcosAnya

It`s all good you weren`t that hard on me hehe :)

I live In Gatineau, QC, Canada. I payed 600$ for my cutie, + I had to provide for her first shots. And like I said, even after joining here and reading all about BYB, I still feel lucky to own a Rottweiler at all! It took me 3 months to find him. It seems as if there are simply not many Rottweilers in my area. Oh yea... had a 2h drive to North Ontario to pick up my puppy!

I understand that it will probably add-up at the end of the road (in medical expenses), but again... I can`t aford to pay a minimum of 1000$ cash for a puppy from a reputable breeder. Those are the prices, belive me I know it all too well. :)

However, I admit... If I joined here prior that I got the pup. I wouldof probably waited until the summer and get the 1000$ one from a local breeder. Still, lets not miss the point that it is toooo expensive for any average buyer!

Finaly, my vet tolled me that my puppy has a heart murmur (type 1 or 2, on a scale that goes up to 6). We need to wait until she`s (atleast) 4 months to know if she`s going to have any complications because of it. I just hope it disapeirs or stays at that level.

have a good day

You live in the puppy mill capitol of Canada. Rottweilers are a dime a dozen in Quebec. When I picked up the phones for the Rescue, we got at least one phone call from Quebec every week...someone wanting to dump their Rottie, or other breed rescues that had Rotties but had no place to put them.
It seems like you had to have a puppy on impulse...and this is where BYB's always win. They seems to always have puppies available...while good breeders you must wait for them. Waiting would have allowed you to save a bit more money...and put you on a waiting list for a good breeder or a rescue.

I see you are posting all sorts of questions about your puppy...all of these questions would have been answered by a good breeder...that's why people pay the few extra hundred dollars...they have a relationship with their breeder. I still stay in touch with my dogs breeder, and he is almost 4 years old!!! She's been a good source or information...and I've also been able to keep tabs on my dogs littermates...what achievements they have had,etc.

Driving 2 hours to pick up a pup is nothing...we drove over 7 hours each way...in one day to pick up our pup...and with my next puppy...I may just fly out west to pick up a pup.

I also hope that your puppy does not have heart problems...this is very common to the breed...and why good breeders have their breeding dogs hearts screened by a veterinary cardiologist before even thinking of breeding.

Gina

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by harleychik66

Gina- I was typing as you were posting. When my response came up I saw that many of our responses were the same. Sorry for the repeat.

Keep repeating...something may sink in if we keep repeating.

Gina

[MarcosAnya]

You guys are right. If had to do it over again, I would to it differently for sure. I don`t belive I did it on impulse at-all... I was searching for a pup and as inexperianced I was, i never considered all of the things that I know now. Additionaly, since I had a feeling that I will never end up with a rottie, and all of the newspaper-adds were from BYB I just assumed that, that is the way things are done.

it was only after I got the puppy and wanted to know more about raising a lill rottie that I found myself reading this website.

Finaly, from all this experiance, I concluded that breeding should be reserved to a minority and regulated by law. Moreover, the average prices of reputable breeders should go down if the problem is ever to be resolved.

[harleychik66]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

Keep repeating...something may sink in if we keep repeating.

Gina

We can only hope that it will start to sink in.

[RottsNScotts]

When I have friends looking for a dog/puppy of any breed, they are often shocked at how long they may have to wait to get the dog. I always tell them that we want to find them the RIGHT dog, not the RIGHT NOW dog!