Sickening just sickening-What newspaper ads from Puppy Mills look like

[Shelby427]

Besides, she keeps saying her "layer" which I'm assuming she means LAWYER will handle the slander accordingly. Well I guess she's unaware that to prove slander, the slander must be false - which she can't prove is false because she posted it on her website. And due to her compulsive misspellings, I'm also assuming she's not that educated - so I doubt she has done as much "research" on how to better the breed as she claims. Also, she has yet to offer up any names of said "champions" for others to research. So Shelly, you are indeed a BYB and a puppy mill. So sad.

[observer]

Originally Posted by Shelly Wentling

ALL MY ROTTIES ARE AKC, OFA, AND SHOW QUALITY BACKGROUND,ELBOWS AND DNA, ECT..

Shelly,

Now you are implying that all your dogs are OFA certified. (not just with OFA dogs somewhere in their "background") If so, you should be willing to post their full registered names, correctly spelled, so that that information can be verified with OFA. If you are not willing to post the names, we have to assume that you have no OFA certs on your breeding dogs. You were looking for a "free" male with no requirements of OFA certification. (or are you saying someone hacked your website and put that on there... we ALL saw it)

So something here isn't adding up.

You show your lack of knowledge about the breed by talking on your website about a "German breed" of Rottweiler like it's a different dog (it's not) and by glorifying your oversized dogs (a proper Rottweiler, within the AKC breed standard, does not weigh 140+).

But what tells me the most about you as a "breeder" is that you SOLD one of your bitches off to some other state after she'd had a bunch of litters for you (raising lots of money) and then couldn't be bred any more (and therefore was of no use to you because she couldn't make you more money). That tells me more about you than anything else you say on your website.

[Shelly Wentling]

Originally Posted by observer

Shelly,

Now you are implying that all your dogs are OFA certified. (not just with OFA dogs somewhere in their "background") If so, you should be willing to post their full registered names, correctly spelled, so that that information can be verified with OFA. If you are not willing to post the names, we have to assume that you have no OFA certs on your breeding dogs. You were looking for a "free" male with no requirements of OFA certification. (or are you saying someone hacked your website and put that on there... we ALL saw it)

So something here isn't adding up.

You show your lack of knowledge about the breed by talking on your website about a "German breed" of Rottweiler like it's a different dog (it's not) and by glorifying your oversized dogs (a proper Rottweiler, within the AKC breed standard, does not weigh 140+).

But what tells me the most about you as a "breeder" is that you SOLD one of your bitches off to some other state after she'd had a bunch of litters for you (raising lots of money) and then couldn't be bred any more (and therefore was of no use to you because she couldn't make you more money). That tells me more about you than anything else you say on your website.

PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRIEGHT... LILIA ONLY HAD 3 LITTLER IN HER LIFE TIME, HER LAST LITTER SHE GOT VERY ILL AND MY HUSBAND AND I DECIDED TO TAKE HER OUT OF OUR BREEDING PROGRAM..A VERY NICE COUPLE PURCHASED HER AND SHE IS NOW VERY HAPPY, LIVING WITH 3 OTHER FAMILY DOGS.

[Shelly Wentling]

Originally Posted by zorro13

Ms Wentling: Hey, after searching, you are in Westmoreland county which is just a spit distance away from myself. Why I might just take you up on your offer and get a look at these dogs myself.

LIKE I SAID YOU ARE VERY WELCOME TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT AND COME VISIT OUR KENNELS...I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE

[Shelly Wentling]

Originally Posted by TamieK

Thank you Alpha. Wow my message was too short. I could go on forever about just such topics. How about the Pomeranians that they cannot wait until they are a year old to breed!!

SORRY TAMIE K MY POMERANIANS ARE TWO YRS OF AGE RIGHT NOW AND THEY ARE BOTH DUE TO HAVE PUPPIE FOR THIER FIRST TIME...LIKE I SAID BEFORE MY 15 YR OLD DAUGHTER DID MY WEBSITE FOR ME AS A PRESENT AND WE ARE NOW GOING TO UP DATE IT....THANK YOU HONEY FOR MY WEBSITE, MOM LOVES YA.

HOW CAN YOU BE SO CRUEL TO KNOCK DOWN A 15 YRS OLD FOR TRYING TO MAKE HER MOTHER HAPPY FOR SOMETHING SHE WAS SOOO HAPPY ABOUT...YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO HEART.

[Shelly Wentling]

Originally Posted by AlphaLeader

Well, with 53 dogs, skipping 2 to 4 heats for each female sure wouldn't produce a hardship for you. I don't believe half of what you said. That's insane.

I feel for your dogs... At the very least, you can't possibly spend time with 53 dogs on a dialy basis so I am sure they're just sitting in kennels with little or no human interaction. How can you possibly know their temperament?

You're a puppy mill and as such should be closed down.

CALL WHO EVER YOU FEEL TO COME AND CLOSE US DOWN...BRING IT ON
YOU PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING BETTERT TO DO WITH YOUR TIME...I FEEL FOR MY DOGS TOO THATS WHY THEY GET BETTER TREATMENT THAN MY HUSBAND

[Forum Staff]

I'm going to ask everyone to show constraint when responding to this thread. We have an opportunity to educate the public as well as the breeder.

[Anton]

You are absolutely right !! A thread of this caliber is exactly the kind of thread that will educate the general public.


So public, understand this..........ANY breeder NOT willing to verify that their "breeding" dogs have health clearances (OFA Hips, elbows, eyes and hearts), are breeders you should RUN away from !!

Because a reputable breeder will willingly divulge that information. A reputable breeder has nothing to hide.

Run from the breeders who speak "double talk", and tell you that their dogs are 'healthy'. Just because their dogs are healthy does NOT mean they are certified free of hip, elbow, eye or heart problems.

[observer]

Originally Posted by Shelly Wentling

PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRIEGHT... LILIA ONLY HAD 3 LITTLER IN HER LIFE TIME, HER LAST LITTER SHE GOT VERY ILL AND MY HUSBAND AND I DECIDED TO TAKE HER OUT OF OUR BREEDING PROGRAM..A VERY NICE COUPLE PURCHASED HER AND SHE IS NOW VERY HAPPY, LIVING WITH 3 OTHER FAMILY DOGS.

Let's quote your site:

This is Lila. Lila is Barrons love. She has had many liters in the past few years. Lila put out very adorable BIG puppies. Unfortunitly she can no longer have puppies. We had to retire her and sale her to a good home. Lila is now living in alabamaI

"Many litters in the past few years". "many adorable BIG puppies" Doesn't sound like three, but if it is, it doesn't sound like she got a lot of rest in between. Perhaps that is why she got ill. Dogs need plenty of time off in between litters. How old was she when she had each of these "many" litters. And, again, the emphasis on size. Or, perhaps, oversize?

My reference is to your SELLING this dog when she could no longer have puppies safely and you "decided to take her out of your breeding program". You didn't keep her and love her, or GIVE her to a loving home. You had to SELL her. It's all about the money, in the end, it seems. THAT'S what I'm talking about.

This information we are concerned about is coming from YOUR website. We are not making it up.

And, you still won't answer directly about OFA certs on your breeding dogs. Tells me you don't have them. And that makes you a large scale back yard breeder. Kennel license or not, that's a puppy mill by my definition. Certainly not an ethical breeder truly concerned about the breed or the long term health of the puppies. Your one year guarantee speaks volumes about that, too. OFA certs can't be done until a dog is two. If one of your buyers discovers a defect after a year, well, too bad for them, it seems.

Ethical breeders will do OFA certs on hips, heart, eyes, thyroid, on breeding stock and share that info with their buyers. They hardly ever own both sire and dam, as they are truly trying to improve the breed by analyzing the pedigrees and health and show/working records of both parents and produce the best possible litter in terms of freedom from genetic defects, conformation, temperament, and proper size (NOT oversize according to the AKC standard) And, they will guarantee for at least two years. Never mind that they will also get conformation and/or obedience or other working titles on their dogs and further prove that they are worthy of breeding. AKC papers, and "OFA and show quality background" are not enough to prove that a dog is worthy of breeding to improve the breed and produce dogs that will live long healthy lives.

Read some of the threads here about the heartbreak of dogs dropping dead from SAS (a heart defect) or suffering from hip or elbow dysplasia or eye defects. Many, if not most, of those dogs came from back yard breeders who didn't do their homework and do the work required to use the RIGHT dogs for breeding. And, they didn't guarantee their pups at all, or for no more than a year. We see situations like this all the time. Most of those BYBs aren't producing the volume of puppies that you are. And that just magnifies the problem.

[rottcrazed]

Wow - this is a scary, yet great educational thread of who NOT to buy pups from.

Granted, for those is a rush (and I hear from them on the phone all the time, do you have puppies now????), this is a gold mine. 30 pups to choose from, WOW!

GOOD GRIEF.

I can't even imagine 2 litters at a time, never mind enough for 30 puppies.

BUT, no testing, no titles, no care, well, I see $$$$MONEY SIGNS$$$$!

Kristi

[Gunsey'sMom]

Originally Posted by JoJo

On a more scary thought, these pups that she is producing in mass quanity can't possibly be properly socialized nor I'm sure bred for good temperament. Do you think the local and state govenments would take a look at these puppy millers and realize that half the bite problems could be solved by putting these types of "businesses" out of business? It's places and people like this that just fuel BSL to the next level.

I cannot agree more with this!

Ms Wentling, I am curious to know with such a volume of pups how it is seen to that they are properly socialized? Do you have a full staff of educated people you trust?

What happens to bitches who cannot produce anymore?

[carolsteeley]

OK - I have read enough to know that very obviously this forum allows anyone to post anything for any reason. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. First of all, have you toured Wentling Mountain kennel??? And why exactly should Wentling provide you goofballs with copies of health checks, OFA, and other certifications? Are you the BYB police???? I believe you are all crazy!

Several years ago I purchased a puppy from Wentling Mountain. My husband and I toured the kennel and were very pleased with the conditions. And we were provided copies of everything we requestede including health records, AKC certifications, OFA certifications AND we have never been treated better by anyone. Shelly and Treg do not deserve to be attacked by you people - you wouldn't even know them if they were standing on your FOOT!

Before you write something, you should be able to back up your words, not just assume you know what is going on. Before you answer this (and I know you are already planning a rebuttal) - get up off your lazy butt and go tour the kennel. That's right - don't sit there and "Google". Get off your computer and go to Derry Pa the old fashioned way - not through cyber space. Only then can you make an objective opinion about the kennel. Other wise STFU! The more you say the more rediculous you sound.

If I wish to purchase another Rottweiler in the future, I will go to where I know I received a QUALITY Rottweiler. AND I will continue to refer anyone who asks me where I purchased my gorgeous QUALITY pup - From WENTLING MOUNTAIN KENNELS. Thats right KENNEL. Not BYB you goof!

Signed,
Owners of a Wentling Mountain Rottweiler - AND PROUD OF IT!!!!

[carolsteeley]

You people are all sickening - you should not say anything unless you have concrete evidence to back your words. Just goes to show what the constitution is all about - freedom of speech. However the constitution does not cover you all being jerks who are placing reply's without doing any physical research. MORE than a GOOGLE! Why do you have to try to make someone's life rough? Are you all that insecure?

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by carolsteeley

You people are all sickening - you should not say anything unless you have concrete evidence to back your words.

I don't need to tour the establishment to know what the establishment is. The operation of a BYB. Many people here at RDN have been involved in Rotties for decades--they show, they train, they rescue, they breed. None of us need to tour the establishment of your dog's "breeder" because it would be a waste of our time. No health clearances, no titles before or after the dog's names, breeding oversized Rotties, breeding for the sake of producing puppies not for betterment of the breed, puppies always available. All the hallmarks of a BYB. Why would any knowledgeable Rottie owner waste his or her time at such a place?

I am sure your dog is a wonderful dog. However, the fact remains your dog was bred by people who shouldn't be breeding. Anyone who sets him- or herself up as a breeder and talks about offering "German" and American Rotties is clueless at best, devious at worst.

Perhaps your dog's "breeder" put you up to come here to defend her sorry practices. That's terrific! If you are a smart, intelligent person, open to learning, you've come to a goldmine. The people here know their stuff. Spend time reading thru Breeding. Go to Conformation Rottweilers. Read thru Show Brags.

If you're as smart as I think you are, you'll see there's no comparison to what the "breeder" of your dog is doing and what real, bona fide breeders do.

[miccmill]

And why exactly should Wentling provide you goofballs with copies of health checks, OFA, and other certifications?

You're kidding right? Let's see........maybe they would consider providing such information if:

1. Their dogs actually had health clearances of any kind.
2. They were interested in attracting owners who were looking for well bred, healthy and stable Rottweilers that meet carefully established standards developed for the betterment of the breed.
3. They weren't BYB

Credentials are often scoffed at by those who don't have any.