Sickening just sickening-What newspaper ads from Puppy Mills look like

[spoiledgirls]

Does the American Humane Societies not have a chapter that can inspect the kennels. It seems odd the the Agricultural Department is in charge of kennel inspections. My take would be that agency is okay with the breeding for profit idea just like cattle and alike! I think that a public awarness seminar should be given and a change be made in thier policies. If the public doesn't put a push on the governement nothing changes!

[observer]

Take a look at this thread: http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/bre...ick-puppy.html

All their ranting here about how great their stock and their puppies are rings pretty hollow when you read stories like that.

[spoiledgirls]

I feel bad for Bruno01. I'm sure that he'll be feeling the pressure from most of us in our quest to set this women right. What else can we do to help him out? I'm sure that he's not the only one that has had to make use of the garauntee. Would asking the media to help be of any value? After all they've been out before to do their own inspection!

[poohbearsmom]

Originally Posted by spoiledgirls

I feel bad for Bruno01. I'm sure that he'll be feeling the pressure from most of us in our quest to set this women right. What else can we do to help him out? I'm sure that he's not the only one that has had to make use of the garauntee. Would asking the media to help be of any value? After all they've been out before to do their own inspection!

Raining on parades....

The problem with having a 'quest' to set people like this right is that it won't happen. If these folks get shut down, more will pop up just like them. While the thought of setting folks right is a noble idea, one must be realistic about what one has control over.... and that is nothing but oneself. Sure, breeders like this give us a bandwagon to sing from, but let's get real.

Ethical breeders are a MINORITY when it comes to the real population of the dog owning public. Many times ethical breeders or learning how to find them is more than one mouse click away, so people who don't know any better get sucked in rather quickly by the dreggs of society.

Again, it's not just the dogs that suffer. It's the folks who buy them who suffer also. Heartache, medical bills, and more heartache.

[moz205]

Where is Shelley Wentling now? She has been on the forum defending her business. Lets see who comes to bat for her regarding Bruno01's experience. I was happy when I saw over 22,000 views to this thread and when you search their kennel, RDN comes up. Hopefully, people will further investigate and be lead here. ...and the show goes on.

[spoiledgirls]

I may be dreaming but I beleive that it can be done. The more negative exposure that this type of facility receives the better educated the public becomes. Lets face it only a minority of dog lovers will join a forum like this one. The general public owner and non-owners alike get most of their facts from the media. I never knew the extent of the puppy mills until I saw an expose done by "W-5" years back. Coincidentally after its airing, pressure was put on many provinces to pass legislation banning these large breeding practices. It worked! Now, it's the BYB breeder that will be hard to close down not to speak of the owners that think that it's in their dogs best interest to breed at least once! Urgh!

[brunie's mom]

Originally Posted by spoiledgirls

I may be dreaming but I beleive that it can be done. The more negative exposure that this type of facility receives the better educated the public becomes. Lets face it only a minority of dog lovers will join a forum like this one. The general public owner and non-owners alike get most of their facts from the media. I never knew the extent of the puppy mills until I saw an expose done by "W-5" years back. Coincidentally after its airing, pressure was put on many provinces to pass legislation banning these large breeding practices. It worked! Now, it's the BYB breeder that will be hard to close down not to speak of the owners that think that it's in their dogs best interest to breed at least once! Urgh!

Not sure what world you are living in?? The province right next to you is the puppy mill central of Canada...Quebec is notorius for their mills and lack of legislation.
We've got Menonites in Ontario buying up farms not more than 30kms away...starting "puppy farms". Most often selling their puppies through newspaper ads or flea markets. They are having a heyday...selling mixed breeds puppies (Goldendoodles, Labradoodles, Aussiepoos,etc)...all at $700-$1,200. a pup, that was born and raised in a shed or barn.

We may not have large scale Rottweiler puppy mills in Canada....just not the population to buy large amounts of Rottweilers. But, we do have puppy mills and large scale BYB's. Anytime there is a chance of making money easily....there is always someone that will.

The public should be educated...and understand where their petstore pup or newspaper ad pup is coming from.

Gina

[Ayoka]

Originally Posted by spoiledgirls

I may be dreaming but I beleive that it can be done. The more negative exposure that this type of facility receives the better educated the public becomes. Lets face it only a minority of dog lovers will join a forum like this one. The general public owner and non-owners alike get most of their facts from the media. I never knew the extent of the puppy mills until I saw an expose done by "W-5" years back. Coincidentally after its airing, pressure was put on many provinces to pass legislation banning these large breeding practices. It worked! Now, it's the BYB breeder that will be hard to close down not to speak of the owners that think that it's in their dogs best interest to breed at least once! Urgh!

Sadly in NB there is no law specifically banning Puppy Mills - I'd have to look at other legislation but I'd be willing to bet that the word puppy mill or large scale doesn;t appear in much legislation at all. Here, the only laws available are for the mistreatment of animals such as inadequate food, water, exercise, living space, protection from elements, etc.. These laws apply to individuals as well as large scale breeders. We all have a picture of a puppy Mill as a large, dirty operation however I think shows like W-5 have maybe given rise to the puppy Mill breeder with apparently clean facilities built and maintained to govn't or vetrinary association standards.

IMHO this is WORSE because now people *think* puppy mills are dirty places and are willing to believe that anyone with a relative clean operation is above board-even if they do produce 100's of dogs a year. While I'm sure it's better to have 100's of puppies raised (if you can call it that) in clean rather than dirty conditions, the fact of the matter still IS that 100's of puppies are produced with little socialisation and no consideration given to the life long health and well being of the dog. This is exactly the case at Wentling Farms they are "state certified" and don't resemble those awful exposés (although many of us think the living space of the animals at wentling leaves much to be desired) not to mention are fed tons of hogwash so people feel safe that they are making the right choice.

[spoiledgirls]

Maybe I should have worded it "working" instead of worked. Look at the number have recently been closed in Lanark county in the past years. I have good friends that work in local shelters involved with closing if these mills. I've met a Golden puppy producer that was rescued from "okay" one. She was severely under weight and had several social issues. Her breeder was closed down after the shelter had received many complaints of the quality of the pups health and thier temperament. Something is going in the right direction even if it is at a snail's pace. As for Quebec, it'll take a miracle for any changes there! We also have to watch for the puppy producers that sell from a private home and not at the breeding facilty! That's another kettle of fish! I think that we alll agree that a more aggressive public education is really the only way to go. If no one is buying from them...... We can't give up!

[poohbearsmom]

I guess I traded in my rose colored glasses and Polly Anna outlook a while back.... ... for a girdle.

Education is indeed the key, but there are those who won't drink the water even if you dump the bucket over their head.

As for the OP, definitely try to get some money out of these 'breeders', it'll come in handy for your veterinary bills.

[vVRotts]

Originally Posted by Ayoka

We all have a picture of a puppy Mill as a large, dirty operation however I think shows like W-5 have maybe given rise to the puppy Mill breeder with apparently clean facilities built and maintained to govn't or vetrinary association standards.

Originally Posted by poohbearsmom

Education is indeed the key, but there are those who won't drink the water even if you dump the bucket over their head.

I think this next step is going to be a tough one indeed. It's pretty easy to get almost anyone to see the wrongs and horrors of the filthy puppy mills that are the subject of most of the news stories.

It's a lot harder to educate the average person, especially the average person who had no idea that the wait for a quality puppy might be closer to a year than a month, in making the distinctions between a back-yard breeder and a quality breeder.

[moz205]

When you go to Wentling Mountain website, it will lead you to puppyfind where they have pups for sale. Best of all, people can write a review of them. I would love to see Bruno01 and anyone else who purchased from them (really purchased and not owners daughters, friends etc) write a review of the problems they are having due to terrible breeding standards. Maybe it would bring more people to this site to learn before they buy.

[TamieK]

moz205 that is a great idea. Hopefully, people will do it. I know there was another poster on this thread with a dog with a torn out knee. After she posted here, the kennel owner called her and now we haven't heard the outcome of this. I truly hope bruno01 lets us know what goes on with the situation. It is such a sad thing. Here in PA Governor Rendell is supposed to start cracking down on puppy mills. I don't know. A friend of mine is going to run for Senator in that District. I asked him what he would do about puppy mills and the like. I asked him if he got elected would he please look into these places and fight for stricter guidelines and such. At first he kind of chuckled, but I explained to him how strongly I feel about it and how I feel about bad breeders and now he cuts articles out of magazines for me and also even prints out things from the computer and we discuss the problem. I told him Iwould work really hard on his campaign. It helps that he's an animal lover. Its funny how I was so pissed off that day reading that and all it was is a vent and now I have learned so much from that vent. I hope all the other people who have read this thread have learned too. My Rotts will probably all be rescues, like my Lex who is a great breed ambassador, but it doesn't hurt to learn.

[moz205]

Wonder if anyone can just "write a review" and just direct people checking out their ad to here for "more reviews"!

[spoiledgirls]

Originally Posted by moz205

When you go to Wentling Mountain website, it will lead you to puppyfind where they have pups for sale. Best of all, people can write a review of them. I would love to see Bruno01 and anyone else who purchased from them (really purchased and not owners daughters, friends etc) write a review of the problems they are having due to terrible breeding standards. Maybe it would bring more people to this site to learn before they buy.

At least there she won't be able to sensor the comments as she does for her guest book.