Sickening just sickening-What newspaper ads from Puppy Mills look like

[AngelBunny]

Originally Posted by mella21

...i recieved an email from someone about this site talking bad about wentling kennel. i just want to let everyone know that i have 2 rotties from there. she is a very nice lady. my rotties are the nicest i have ever seen and animal.

Good for you for coming to this site!

If you love Rotties and want the best for the breed, you have found the best place on the Internet to learn about the breed. Many of the people here have years of experience—breeding responsibly, training, showing, rescuing, and campaigning against BSL.

Many of us bought our first dogs from less than desirable sources. I myself got my first Rottie from a BYB in 1984. Some of us were lucky with these dogs—no apparent health issues (tho this was diagnosed with osteo when he was about 8-1/2 yo), acceptable temperaments, great family companions.

However, once people like myself understood just what BYBs are doing to the breed and the problems they cause, none of us will buy from such people again.

There are the ethical issues of breeding unproven, untitled dogs about whom nobody knows anything--pumping out puppies like the breeder of your dog is doing is wrong on many counts. There is the fact that dogs bred by BYBs (and millers) are the dogs who end up on shelters, most of whom will get put down because there aren’t enough people involved in rescue to help them. There's the fact that the quantity of puppies produced by the "breeder" means it's impossible to screen owners and match puppy to owner. There's the fact that such people often look on their dogs as commodities, to be cast aside when their useful productive life as puppy machines ends.

(BTW--The "breeder" of your dogs--the person you describe as "is a very nice lady" has this attitude about her dogs. Do you still thinks she's "very nice for junking a dog who is incapable of breeding??)

It’s great you’re as young as you are because you have time to learn about the less-than-sterling practices of the breeder of your dog—and time to change from where and whom you get future dogs.

Since you’re an intelligent, caring person, I’m confident you’ll rethink your championship of the “breeder” of your dogs, once you’ve read, researched, and thought about what we’re saying.

The choice is yours--read, think, and become educated or keep the blinders on, refusing to face facts.

[Shelby427]

Originally Posted by Ninasmom

My dog is from a BYB. Do a search for my posts. You will see just how 'wonderful' it is to own a BYB dog. Nina's been sick for her entire life. Her nickname is "Porsche" because we'd own one if we didn't have her vet bills. We keep an epi pen in the fridge for her because she can go into anaphylactic shock at any time. She's exactly the reason unchecked dogs should not be bred.

It's no way to live - for an owner or a dog.

I totally agree, we got Shelby from a BYB (long before we knew anything - our fault completely) and let me just say, it's not fun watching her run and play with other dogs and having to stop because her hips are bothering her. And it's not fair to her. She's on meds which helps, but it's not a cure. We're prepared to spend thousands if we have to later on for surgery. We know nothing about her eyes, elbows, or heart. Luckily she has a wonderful temperament, but we know we're LUCKY that she is the way she is. Who knows what her health will be like later on. We've already spent a pretty penny on x-rays and meds.

[lovemyrotrebel]

Well my Rebel is from BYB. I rescued out of my neighbors back yard when they moved and left him there. He was only about 2 months old sick. He had Parvo. So I guess they left him there to die. After we took him to the vet and he made it we were not sure if we were going to keep him. I must be honest before Rebel I wasn't really sure about Rottweilers. I read alot contacted the trainer I had used for years. We decide to keep him. He is like one of my children now. But I do know what could be ahead of us with vet bills. We have already had to took him to the vet because of his eyes. Other then that he is in good health. But we know we have to watch his health. I am thankful for this site.

[Gerts]

hopefully not straying from subject at hand, but wanted to leave something for Mella21 regarding this Wentling kennel name and her interest in this forum...

Regarding Mella21:hope you're still with us and can read this and see where we're coming from:

All of this information you are reading is not to necessarily be taken personally by you...we are not attacking you in a personal manner and we are not saying that this breeder as a person is not nice...but like AngelBunny said:

Originally Posted by AngelBunny

Good for you for coming to this site!

There are the ethical issues of breeding unproven, untitled dogs about whom nobody knows anything--pumping out puppies like the breeder of your dog is doing is wrong on many counts. There is the fact that dogs bred by BYBs (and millers) are the dogs who end up on shelters, most of whom will get put down because there aren’t enough people involved in rescue to help them. There's the fact that the quantity of puppies produced by the "breeder" means it's impossible to screen owners and match puppy to owner. There's the fact that such people often look on their dogs as commodities, to be cast aside when their useful productive life as puppy machines ends.

Now I know Human Nature tends to overthrow all logical thinking and build up walls, and make us get defensive to certain subjects, but please, MELLA21 take a breath, relax, and really read the important factors listed above...Most of us on here want to protect this breed from becoming the next "illegal dog to own"...and the only way to accomplish this is to try (thru typing) to tell others the real facts!! For, if too many rotties get a bad rap, eventually, you too may have to move to a new (non-BSL) area or turn your dogs over to the "officials" if the breed gets "banned" due to uncaring breeders not taking the time and love to produce proper dogs...So this is not just a short term issue, we didn't all just get together one evening and decide to "attack" the "nice lady"...this can eventually effect your pocket book and the actual life of your dogs...

We are not pointing a finger at you, telling you your dogs are worthless...I too have owned a dog from a BYB...and she was incredible!!! And no one was standing by just "waiting" for me to admit it was the "worst choice" I had ever made. (Just as we aren't wanting to shove this in your face and make you say you were wrong... it's not that at all!!! Try to put aside your feelings of personal attack and don't put up any walls)...Slowly over time, my eyes were opened to more knowledge and I made my own decision that buying from BYB was not within the best interest of the breed...We all know that teaching with patience and kindness and solid information is the only way a human can learn. (For we too get very defensive about the things we love)...

So don't get defensive MELLA21...keep on the forum, don't think we are saying your dogs are not wonderful! Just understand the inconsistencies that can take place with these practices of no certifications or screenings: and just read up and keep an open mind to try to understand and educate yourself as to why this is not the best practice of breeding in order to keep these puppies from ending up somewhere unwanted or living a painful life with all of the possible genetic diseases.

Just hang with us for awhile and learn how you too can help "promote good breeding" !!!

[mella21]

first of lose the attitude. second of all if you call ur dog a bitch, wow thats harsh i never referred my dog to that name. i have all the papers for my dogs. trust me i would have all test ran for my dog if i was breeding, but the pint here iw why are ru worried about what someone else is doing you must have a lot of time on your hands to sit here and BS about someone. most breeders breed different types of dogs. so ur better off bitching about everyone to satisfy youself

[moondog]

Originally Posted by mella21

if you call ur dog a bitch, wow thats harsh i never referred my dog to that name.

LOL.

A female dog IS a BITCH, just as a female bison is a cow, a female pig is a sow, and a female fox is a vixen.

Originally Posted by mella21

...but the pint here iw why are ru worried about what someone else is doing you must have a lot of time on your hands to sit here and BS about someone.

You could stand to spend a bit more time reading and learning. What she is doing, she is doing to ROTTWEILERS.....open your ears, please.....THAT is what the discussion is about.

As for the BS, sorry honey. Just because you don't like the facts of the matter, doesn't mean they're not so.

"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge." Daniel Boorstin

[observer]

Originally Posted by mella21

first of lose the attitude. second of all if you call ur dog a bitch, wow thats harsh i never referred my dog to that name. i have all the papers for my dogs. trust me i would have all test ran for my dog if i was breeding, but the pint here iw why are ru worried about what someone else is doing you must have a lot of time on your hands to sit here and BS about someone. most breeders breed different types of dogs. so ur better off bitching about everyone to satisfy youself

What do you mean by "all the papers"? AKC registration? Having AKC registration does only one thing -- it creates a rebuttable presumption that the dog is the purebred offspring of the named parents. (There are dogs out there with AKC papers that are NOT purebred, just so you know)

Having those papers does NOT mean that the dog does not have numerous genetic defects, not that it is good enough to be bred, not that it conforms to the breed standard. So, if that's all the papers you are talking about, that means almost nothing.

There may be SOME ethical breeders that breed more than one breed of dog. But they DON'T have thirty to fifty pups of any breed for sale at one time, and don't refer to their dog breeding as their "company" and don't sell off breeding stock that can't make money any more, or answer ads offering a FREE stud dog.

We are worried about what mass breeding of unproven dogs is doing TO THE BREED. That is what we care about, and it's worth caring about. If you don't share our concern, fine...,.there are others we can educate.

You do need to stay here and read and learn. The fact that you didn't know the proper term for a female dog indicates that this site has a lot of useful information to offer you.

[moz205]

Originally Posted by mella21

if you call ur dog a bitch, wow thats harsh i never referred my dog to that name. i have all the papers for my dogs. trust me i would have all test ran for my dog if i was breeding,

Well, well, seems birds of a feather.... Uneducated and ignorant and not willing to listen and learn just shows me that these type of breeders and buyers continue the assembly line. I seriously don't understand how these people think they sound like they know what they're talking about! I also had a dog from byb, he loved his dogs- don't get me wrong and we certainly loved our dog but now that I have learned so much in my research on this forum, I will never do that again. You see, I have learned and use it to my advantage. Would I have traded my dog, never but he did have rage. In other hands he would have been in a shelter. A rescue wouldn't have taken the chance. His temperment was not all that trustworthy although he was with us 13 years. Byb don't do a thing to better the breed and neither do the buyers. I could deal with someone who knows no better but after reading this forum and doing research, there's no excuse for that ignorance and worse, to stand by it. How about having your dog tested when of age and let us know the outcome. I think I'd have a better chance of hitting lotto.

[Bucky's Mom]

Originally Posted by moz205

This thread is extremely educational for all those out there that are planning on buying a pup. All this info comes from experienced people who have been dealing with the breed and only want to make this breed the best. Even the breeder named here in question has given very useful information in showing her ignorance here as well as on her website. Inexperienced people may believe she is very knowledgeable but this thread certainly sheds the light on her and her kennel. I would love to see a sticky so that anybody coming here will learn very important facts from legit and educated people.

Looks like the sticky wish came true

I think that rather than focus on the personality or writing ability of this or any other kennel owner/promoter it is important to continue to point out WHAT is LACKING so that others coming to learn can recognize the red flags and avoid buying puppies from breeders who are equally negligent in failing to follow the correct breeding program protocols

[Gerts]

hopefully some will learn...

[mella21]

i know a female dog is a bitch, you think im that stupid, i just dont go walking around saying hey look at my bitch, that is a reason why we name our dog, trust me i know what papers you need to have my family arlready breed dogs before. all i know someone got my email and sent me to this site then i see all you people are talking about the lady i got my dog from, dont you think i went looking around before i buy i dog,i looked into ???? before i jump and go ahead and by a dog you think i would drive 4 to 5 hours to by a dog that is going to be ill, for who told me i must have the money no honey i know how to save my money and spend it on an animal i love who i picked out who i know for a fact is healthy adn when nothign is wrong and i plan on breeding her before you knock me down i will show you the ???? you want but till then all yall can educate yourself.

[rottcrazed]

i know a female dog is a bitch, you think im that stupid, i just dont go walking around saying hey look at my bitch, that is a reason why we name our dog, trust me i know what papers you need to have my family arlready breed dogs before. all i know someone got my email and sent me to this site then i see all you people are talking about the lady i got my dog from, dont you think i went looking around before i buy i dog,i looked into ???? before i jump and go ahead and by a dog you think i would drive 4 to 5 hours to by a dog that is going to be ill, for who told me i must have the money no honey i know how to save my money and spend it on an animal i love who i picked out who i know for a fact is healthy adn when nothign is wrong and i plan on breeding her before you knock me down i will show you the ???? you want but till then all yall can educate yourself.

Did you actually READ the posts previous to your own, or just chime in to defend 'SUPER BREEDER' without getting the gist of the responses?

Always good to see what kinds of people breeders like this sell to, don't you think?

Kristi

[observer]

Take a breath and actually think about what we are trying to tell you (and others).

Our dogs have names, too, but when we are talking about issues related to breeding or showing where the term "bitch" is appropriate in referring to a female dog, we use it. We don't CALL the dogs that.

You still haven't answered our questions about what "papers" you have. What OFA certifications did your dog's parents have -- did you see them? If your dog is old enough, does she have her own OFA certifications? (Hips, heart, eyes, etc). You say you know what papers they have to have, so you must have known what to ask to see and what to get for your own dog.

Until then, the general opinion here is that no one, not just you should consider breeding their bitch or dog, even one, like yours, that appears outwardly healthy and is a wonderful companion and family member. And that's just a bare starting point. Read the posts here from people who are dealing with health problems, particularly with hips, in dogs whose family tree had not been checked for hip issues. Read the posts from people whose dogs dropped dead from SAS (a heart defect). Then you will understand what you are talking about. "Healthy" isn't just about shiny coat and good appetite and energy level. You can't always tell from the outside.

We aren't the ones who need to educate ourselves. We are trying to educate those people out there who are reading this thread, looking for accurate information and are willing to learn about how to be responsible Rottweiler owners that care about the breed as a whole. You seem to say that you already know what you need to know, but manage not to answer simple questions we are asking.

Look at rescue sites like Petfinder and others and see all the Rotties that have found their way there. We are concerned about the effect that irresponsible breeding has on THOSE dogs too. Ms. Wentling's 50 puppies for sale at her "company" deprive 50 of those dogs of the chance of a loving home. If you breed yours without doing all the work you need to do ahead of time (health checks and titles, etc,) you, and others like you, will just perpetuate the problem.

[moz205]

mella is going to be a byb. You will continue to be part of the problem even after supposedly reading the threads advising you what needs to be done (from people with years of experience and knowlege). mella's responses are so ridiculous and uneducated that it would be funny if not so serious to the dogs she will breed and their offspring. She needs to put away her crystal ball on her seeing her dog which she states "for a fact is healthy". There are no guarantees in life but you can certainly stack the odds in your favor AND be part of the solution for this great breed.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by rottcrazed

Always good to see what kinds of people breeders like this sell to, don't you think?

Yep, there it is in black and white.....I'm guessing it's gonna be a very short list of people reading this thread that will be saying to themselves, "wow, I want to be just like HER.