Sickening just sickening-What newspaper ads from Puppy Mills look like

[windsonguk]

Did anyone ever get out there to visit 'The' establishment?
I cant believe the surrounding filth, passes regulations.

[marianne]

This topic has gone for some days now! YES this is a breeder out for the bucks! BUT ....the lastest comments about RESCUE??????
RESCUES are supporting BYB's?

These DOGS didn't ask to be born. No matter HOW or the Where the dog was born should have no bearing to a dog who can pass health and temperment testing.

RESCUE can save dogs, I would hate to read all Rottweilers need to be put down if they have the misfortune to end up in a shelter.

LIKE all the "forum" members have obtained their dogs from COE Breeders.

[Gunsey'sMom]

I think the point trying to be made (maybe for another thread) Is that some dogs are better off not rescued to preserve the integrety of the breed.

I really cant speak for rescue, but I dont think it is appropriate for rescue to be directly taking dogs off the hands of indiscriminate breeders. It only encourages them when they cant find the "customers" to buy them-that they have an easy place to dump them off at. And we all know that there are many dogs in NEED of rescue.

But like I said that's really another thread.

[moz205]

When you stop the mass production and assembly line byb, then there will be a reduction in shelters. It doesn't matter what the end product is to them. It's the same anywhere, with anything, if there is a market, there's money to be made. As bad as what is seen on this thread, there are loads that are worse. Educating people on what they are really buying from and the outcome of their "product" will hit the byb in their pockets.

[Rodeovixxen]

I don't think she is saying that rescues support BYB'ers. I think what was trying to be said is that she is glad in this instance because she got her wonderful girl. Did I say that right? I understand what she is saying, but I'm not sure that I am putting it in the right words.

On another note, because of this "board", I fixed my bitch and have talked every rotti owner I know into fixing their dogs. These were all nice dogs just like my bitch is a wonderful dog. But they were all unshown and untittled. Total byb dogs. While I wouldn't trade my girl for anything, I would do a lot more research and learning before I would buy another dog. I have learned so much from here, its mind boggling!

CJ the lurker

[marianne]

Thank you.... THAT is why this WHOLE topic should be an EYEOPENNER for any family looking for a ROTTWEILER.

Roscoe KEEP spreading the words

[chivas]

Ok my last comment, ( I hope, LOL) you know it pretty much says it all in how some "breeders" refer to their dogs. I once wrote a pretty heated letter to the editor about the new craze in designer dogs (puggles, labradoddles, etc) and had a breeder of labradoddles write back and go on and on about how well bred, etc her "PRODUCT" (her words) are. That about proved the point for me, a lot of breeders dont see living, feeling creatures they see "PRODUCT" to make $$$$ off of at any cost to the "PRODUCT".
Kim

[moz205]

This thread is extremely educational for all those out there that are planning on buying a pup. All this info comes from experienced people who have been dealing with the breed and only want to make this breed the best. Even the breeder named here in question has given very useful information in showing her ignorance here as well as on her website. Inexperienced people may believe she is very knowledgeable but this thread certainly sheds the light on her and her kennel. I would love to see a sticky so that anybody coming here will learn very important facts from legit and educated people.

[mella21]

hey i recieved an email from someone about this site talking bad about wentling kennel. i just want to let everyone know that i have 2 rotties from there. she is a very nice lady. my rotties are the nicest i have ever seen and animal. all the children in my town love my dogs. all they want to do is like you and want to pet and cuddled all the time. my dogs are healthy and are going to be 3 yrs old. before you talk bad about some who knows what they are doing you should have respect to get all the info before you bs on someone. when i plan to get another dog i am going to get one from her again. when i first got my dogs i knew she was planning on breeding another breed. so whoever started the rumor should be a shame of themselves. her home was very nice and clean an the dogs were well kept. i never had any problem with the dogs and i know for a fact they are the healthes because my own cousin is a vet. everyone needs to grow up and take advise from a 23 year old how to act.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by mella21

... she is a very nice lady.

This is not a popularity contest. She may very well be a "nice" lady, but unfortunately she is a very ignorant lady.

Originally Posted by mella21

...so whoever started the rumor should be a shame of themselves.

It is no rumor that she does not breed to the Rottweiler standard. She brags about this herself.
It is no rumor that she does not obtain health clearances on her breeding dogs. See for yourself: go to Orthopedic Foundation for Animals and look the dogs up, then come back and tell us how many of her dogs you find that have health clearances.
It is no rumor that she makes NO effort to prove her dogs in conformation and performance events to ensure they meet the standard in temperament, structure, and working ability. Rottweilers ARE Working Dogs, you know.
With 50 dogs and brags of a class IV kennel license and 55 puppies to choose from for any sucker that walks in, it is no rumor that Wentling Mountain Kennels is a puppy mill. There is no way in hell a staff of 5 could possibly imprint and socialize anywhere NEAR that volume of puppies properly.

Originally Posted by rottcrazed

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, chances are, it is a duck ......

Not to mention that little detail about trying to pick up a "free to good home" dog as a stud dog because hers is "too sick" to breed anymore. No rumor there, either - she placed the reply to the ad. I have to go now, I think I'm going to vomit.

So what is your problem again?

[observer]

Well, it's nice of you to come here as a customer of her "company" (her word), and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are. SOMEBODY has to buy all the dogs they crank out. I hope yours are spayed/neutered so you are not perpetuating this issue.

Now that you are here, stay and read and educate yourself about Rottweilers to a far higher degree than the people you got them from. Did you see OFA certifications on the parents of your dogs? What are their names-- we can look them up for you. If your dogs are in fact healthy and well behaved, count your lucky stars. But ANYONE who has 30-50 puppies for sale AT ONE TIME, always breeding pairs of her own dogs, is not breeding for the good of the breed. (NO ONE among the breeders whose signatures are on their posts here breeds that many dogs.) Anyone who would SELL a supposedly beloved bitch because she couldn't have more puppies (and make more money for the "company" ) is all about business, not about the dogs. And, anyone who thinks Rottie pups get white spots from the stress of being pushed through the birth canal i(and that they all go away in time) is NOT very knowledgeable about the breed that puts food on her table.

There's no RUMOR here. We are getting our information from her OWN website, from her posts here, and from her posts on another forum expressing interest in a FREE stud dog to breed to a group of "Kimbertal" females that were ready to breed.

If you're happy with your dogs, fine. I hope they stay healthy. I hope they are spayed/neutered. Without OFA certifications, it will be more by pure luck than any kind of careful breeding to do everything possible to insure that they don't have health issues that dogs can be screened for BEFORE they are bred.

[marianne]

OPPS to the 23 yr old ...Sure glad your happy!! And have some BUCKS for vet bills in the future.

[Gunsey'sMom]

Well I am 25 years old age has nothing to do with any of this.

My dog is from a BYB, Back Yard Breeder- wich is EXCACTLY what Wentling Mountain Kennels is - ecxept they produce in MASS quanitity. My dog has a great temperment, loves to work, good with children, and a beautiful dog (IMO) he also so far has no apparent health problems. (which isnt really saying that much because he hasnt even been X-rayed yet and isnt even 2)

Is that the normal outcome? NOT AT ALL. I consider myself fortunate and count my blessings everyday. Would I EVER support a BYB again in ANY way shape or form, NEVER.

There is no way to know what Gunner's health will be in the future, and I can only pray for the best. And what if it DIDNT turn out peaches and cream? I doubt the person we "got" him from would care. The transaction is over after the dog leaves.

You people just dont get it. BYB's are the reason why we have BSL popping up everywhere. They dont care about the health and temperment of these dogs. And they certainly DONT care who they sell them to. Anyone who has the money and wants a dog gets one no matter what their intentions are.

You cant tell me that WMK rigorously screens everyone they sell a puppy to with 50 puppies for sale at a time- that's an insult to both of us.

[Ninasmom]

My dog is from a BYB. Do a search for my posts. You will see just how 'wonderful' it is to own a BYB dog. Nina's been sick for her entire life. Her nickname is "Porsche" because we'd own one if we didn't have her vet bills. We keep an epi pen in the fridge for her because she can go into anaphylactic shock at any time. She's exactly the reason unchecked dogs should not be bred.

It's no way to live - for an owner or a dog.

[Gunsey'sMom]

You see? It could have been and still can be the same thing for me and you. I have been lucky so far as you have been- count your blessings like I count mine, but dont praise ignorance, you have a great chance here to learn something- please take it. Who knows you might be back at this very site in a couple of years posting about your dogs severe HD, maybe not.

Please take a moment and read some of the stickies in the breeding forums maybe you can learn something......