Sickening just sickening-What newspaper ads from Puppy Mills look like

[TamieK]

First of all Mrs. Wentling, I never used your name. You, yourself put it in your post along with your web address. If you had read the rules you would have seen that kennel names are not to be used. That is why I didn't use the word Kimbertal, didn't know we could. I asked for people to educate you because the people on this forum have such a passion for the breed. Like everyone else on this forum, I'm glad we can educate the unknowing buyer.

[zorro13]

TamieK: I wouldn't worry about this woman, for all she knows, 20 of your neighbors could be signing into your login name on here. LOL Anyhow, I hope to visit this kennel this week, if not, it won't be for another couple weeks until I can get out there. And the more that she keeps issuing her threats, the more she gets herself into hot water.

[sunshine4sarah]

Dear Shelly,

I know you feel picked on!
Did you really think you would be free from criticism?
You own over 50 Rottweilers.
You breed below the standard the rest of us fight to maintain, protect, and promote.
You are in every respect a commercial breeder.

Yes your dogs are on concrete, yes they have shelter, yes they receiver routine vet care, yes your Company is routinely visited and yes you meet the bare minimum requirements for the State of PA so you are in fact a legal commercial operation.

You breed without consideration of the very Breed’s Standard in which you deal. You are unable to provide bloodlines of quality, and are unable to provide the routine health clearances that the rest of us make available to every owner of every litter. Only one of your 20+ Adult dogs that we know of is registered in OFFA.

My personal issue… You are in no way bettering the breed. I say “Shame on you.” Shame that you don’t realize your role as a breeder. Shame that you do not promote your breeding in dog sports, conformation, or any worthwhile activity except gross over population! Anyone doubts this… she has 15 puppies ADVERTISED for sale, from three litters, all whelped within two week of each other.

I don’t know you. I have never seen your facility other then the pictures where trash is stacked in the yards, doors are off of the hinges, dogs behind fencing, and so few spots clean enough for the grotesquely large dogs you breed to lay down in the rooms with you.

I applaud your daughter for telling the story your dogs could not. A picture is worth a thousand words.

Pennsylvania Dog Laws are clearly posted, and for those of you who did not understand what she meant when she was bragging about being a Class 4 Kennel and soon to be a Class 5 let me quote the site.
Pennsylvania Dog Laws
Kennel Class IV: To keep or operate a private kennel, pet shop-kennel, research kennel, dealer kennel or breeding kennel for a cumulative total of 151 to 250 dogs of any age during a calendar year--$400 per year
Kennel Class V: To keep or operate a private kennel, pet shop-kennel, research kennel, dealer kennel or breeding kennel for a cumulative total of 251 or more dogs of any age during a calendar year--$500 per year.

On her behalf, she has informed us that she has an incredibly low mortality rate, her dogs are well fed, are visited for veterinary care. Her Kennel has made great improvements. Does this make this situation ideal, of course not and we all know that. We also know that these same situations are in each of our states.

They are making a significant profit and are operating just as any other livestock operation would. Who can say if this is the sole source of their income, I can’t can you? But they are maintaining themselves and are legal in PA. As to whether they pass their inspections with “flying colors” I can guarantee, that is often never the case in these large operations. But nonetheless they do pass, and the individuals contacted, inform me that these are very friendly and affectionate dogs.

Someone previously questioned as to where they were selling this quantity of dogs, was it to pet shops? NO, Pennsylvania requires USDA inspections for them to be licensed to sell to Retail operations. Mrs. Wentling you can correct me if I am wrong, but you currently do not have USDA licensing.

Harrisburg, PA and the Dept of Agriculture are planning a website for the end of 2007 that will list all citations and violations of a Kennel for public inspection. This will aid fanciers and buyers alike to look at Kennels such as Mrs. Wentling’s and see the past citations (if any), what they were for, and the courts actions. They intend to make all of this information available to the public, as it is in fact public record after the hearings are complete. Even now any past hearings that have been held are a matter of public record, but difficult to come by, this site will be the missing link.

This kennel is not alone; PA in many respects has been dubbed the “commercial breeding capital of the east”. You can visit the Bureau of Dog Law Enforcement and look at the Annual Reports that are made to the PA General Assembly each year. You will be amazed at the numbers of LARGE Kennels just like this one. PDA: Publications & Annual Reports - Dog Law

Just like your county and mine, funding/facilities are simply not there to remove large numbers of dogs. So often, with large kennels, the county is encouraged to work with the owners to bring the facilities up to meet with minimum state laws. This is why you will often see 4 dogs confiscated from an irresponsible owner, but a kennel of a greater number won’t be touched. We dealt with a very large illegal kennel in our area for over two years. I am well aware of the challenges these counties can face.

Will she ever be a Code of Ethic Breeder, I doubt it Mrs. Wentling if you are curious what a COE Breeder is visit and read the second page as a local example of what Breed Responsible Owners follow… Membership

The only thing you are able to do with this situation if it concerns you is monitor it. Visit the Dept of Agriculture’s website when it is made available to learn first hand the reports made. She is legal, she is profitable, and she is monitored, there is nothing more that can be done. She is well within her rights to own and operate this Company with the volume of “merchandise” she currently has.

Oh and support the local Rottie rescue organization in this area, as well as any of the three shelters in Greensburg, Latrobe, and Mt Pleasant. Because we all know where over populated puppies end up…

Do we have to condone this, like it, support it? No, we can educate the public…

And at the very least we are allowed our disgust. I sit here with yet another rescued Rottweiler in my home, because of just such a local example. Her kennel is not the first I have been aware of and it won’t be the last. But at the very least allow me my disgust; after all I am sure if I haven’t already fostered one of your Company’s products, I soon will.

[rottcrazed]

FANTASTIC post Sunshine4Sarah .... FANTASTIC!

Kristi

[brutus'mother]

Sunshine4Sarah - WOW, excellent post.

[observer]

Sunshine4Sarah,

Thank you for an excellent and very informative post. Sounds like going from a Class 4 license to a Class 5 is nothing to brag about... it just means the licensee, like Ms. Wentling, has MORE dogs in her commercial operation.

[Disturbed_Angel]

Wow! Sunshine4Sarah - Excellent post and thank you, you really helped me understand much more.

[Gunsey'sMom]

Yes thank you for for posting that Sunshine4Sarah! Great words, every one ringing sad but true.

[sunshine4sarah]

Two things I neglected to point out in my original post.


1. The first was mention of Shelly Wentling requesting a "Free to Good Home" Dog for breeding purposes.

(In case the link is removed I have copied her post below.)

Re: AKC Rottweiler - free to GOOD HOME ONLY

Posted by: SHELLY on July 24, 19103 at 10:37:15

In Reply to: Re: AKC Rottweiler - free to GOOD HOME ONLY posted by renay rainey on January 30, 19103 at 12:44:10:

Message:
HELLO IM LOOKING FOR A GOODMALE, MY MALE IS VERY SICK AND CANNT BREED ANY MORE. I HAVE 5 KIMBERTALE FEMALES THAT ARE STILL YOUNG AND READY TO BREED. OUR KENNEL NAME IS WENTLING MOUNTAIN KENNELS.WE ARE LIVING IN DERRY,PA.PLEASE CONTACT ME AT 7245372163 OR E-MAIL ME AT DAMAMA4EVER@AOL.COM THANK YOU AND ILL BE WAITING TO HEAR FROM YOU, SHELLY
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2. The second and even more shocking website can be found at:

Dogs, Puppies for Sale - PupCity.com

Breed: Rottweiler
Location: DERRY , Pennsylvania 15627 (United States)
Description: WE HAVE VERY LARGE GENTLE GAINTS...WE ARE NOT A PUPPY MILL,OUR PUPPIES ARE WELL LOVED AND RAISED AROUND ALL TYPES OF ANIMALS AND KIDS...PUPPIES ARE BORN INSIDE MY HOME IN WHELPS BOXES AND EVERyONE GETS ALONG...
WE HAVE FOUND OUT BY MIXING THE KIMBERTAL (GERMAN BREED) AND AMERICAN BREED MAKE VERY LARGE AND GREAT GENTLE GAINT, GOOD TEMPERED DOGS...

WE HAVE FIVE LITTERS AT THIS TIME, THATS FIFTY FIVE PUPPIES TO CHOOSE FROM...
ALL PUPPIES COME WITH AKC PAPERS, PEDIGREE PAPERS, FIRST SETS OF SHOTS, TAILS AND DEW CLAWS REMOVED, DOG FOOD AND ONE YEAR HEALTH GUARANTEE...PLEASE CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE TO SEE THE BEAUITFUL ROTTWEILERS WE HAVE HERE...OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS GIVE US A CALL AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
(Unedited)


No Comments are necessary. Her own words speak volumes.

[my2boys]

EXCELLENT Sunshine4Sarah! We got more info from you than from the owner!

[danond]

Just a point to nitpick (maybe it's been said but I didn't see it). Slander is spoken as opposed to libel which is written down. Both typically require some sort of proof that the statements are untrue or have malicious intent to defame the targeted individual.

Since the original statements were presented as someone's opinion and facts were roughly repeated from a published advertisement, this really isn't a case of libel.

[rottcrazed]

Probably why she hasn't been around lately .... reality check in a MAJOR way (not that it is going to change anything at all)!

Kristi

[Gunsey'sMom]

If you do a yahoo search you will notice in one of the results for Wentling Mountain Kennels- right next to it- it says:

"Rottweiler Puppies for sale ... WENTLING MOUNTAIN KENNELS. More Info. Breed: Rottweiler. Location: ... We are a small, hobby 'Code of Ethics' kennel. ..."

Not sure if that is her description of her "kennel" or another result shown next to hers?

If it IS indeed her description of her kennel it really coulnt get FURThER off the mark or more delusional than that!

[sunshine4sarah]

http://www.wentlingmountainkennels.w...ctures_355.jpg
Filthy Conditions and Buildings in Disrepair
http://www.wentlingmountainkennels.w...ctures_406.jpg


Why does a 7 month old puppy need both a buckle collar, and a prong collar?
http://www.wentlingmountainkennels.w...ctures_005.jpg

Pictures posted from Wentling Mountain Kennels which we have all been invited to view by Shelly Wentling

[Valentine]

Wow, I don;t even use a prong on Valentine....and hes 9 months old and 85 Lbs!!!