Important question about breeder ethics!!

[berenschild]

What would be your reaction??

I need some advice on a real big problem!
How would the reaction from Stud owners, breeders and Rottweiler fans at all?
These are the facts:
A breeder came at my place for a mating with his bitch.
This is a champion male!
When he came home (after mating with champion male), that breeder let mate his own male that same bitch! (I just hear it just a couple of days ago!)
That male is not allowed from Belgian Rottweiler Club for mating because of some faille.
That was not coincidence that that second mating was happened!
Now the pups are born and at the new owners, and they are (where) all intended to breed with that new dogs!
This means that the pups could be even from my male or even from that for breed forbidden male.
And that means also that when they breed with them, the Pedigree will not be correct at all!
You must know also that here it’s not allowed to breed with more than one male at the same time!
Now questions:
1: what would you do in that case?
2: Is it possible to do a DNA test on this?
3: Could someone accept that a breeder sales you a puppy that can be from a for breed forbidden male, and not the male that he pretend?
4: What are the punishments in your country for a breeder that do that?
Hope to have some answers on my questions
Thanks a lot in front!
José

PS: in the mean time I let take samples from my male and from the puppy, now just wait for results!
Also, In the mean he started a slander campaign against me!

[Carol Burke]

In the US AKC will allow two sires, however you must have DNA samples on all the dogs conerned. If this happened to me I would not sign registration papers until I was satisfied the puppies were sired by my male.

[berenschild]

He did not told from before he mated his bitch with other male.
By the way, he also not paid the mating fee.
It was a friend, and he got some financial problems, I should have the money when he should sell the puppies.
It was just a couple of weeks ago I know that he mated his bitch from his male.
And now he is telling ???? about me.
In Belgium it’s not the same as in USA
I just want to tell all what a guy he is, hope he will never can use a male again!

[Anton]

If this is not allowed in your country, and he has registered the litter, contact your registration authority (in US, it's AKC), and tell them !! Let them know that you own the first stud dog, and that you suspect he bred his bitch to a second stud dog, therefore if the puppies are registered, they might be from two different stud dogs.

[BostonRott]

I agree, you need to contact whomever issued the registration papers. No club/registry wants to think that their studbooks are counterfeit.

[targonrotts]

what i would do?
one- forget the stud fee...that is probably lost anyways.
two-if you are sure this forbidden breeding took place, contact the registry and file a complaint so that the pups are not papered.
three-learn the lesson, friend or not-written contract,fee up front,and if you ever have a bad feeling or expect foul play- don't breed-decline the service.
hope it turns out ok for you.
see what the dna results are- but just because you got used(fooled), i would refuse to register them-regardless.

[Docter Jekyll]

I have a written contract for this very reason explaining everything in detail if this type of situation occurs. My contract states that the breeding will immediately become null/void, the puppies will not be registered and will be altered, and punitive damages to my kennel reputation will also be addressed.

1. I wouldn't sign the registration papers and I'd contact all my dog's registered kennel clubs regarding this issue.

2. Yes, DNA can be done. I'd use the results strictly for the purpose of a court case.

3. If one was to falsify papers and/or falsify sales, due to a breeding, I'd contact legal authorities. This is why it's so important to have prior written agreements.

4. Depends a great deal on locality of the actual breeding, if a crime has been committed, if there was a written agreement, if the parties do go to court, and/or if the parties belong to any breed clubs, including registries.

[berenschild]

Here is the DNA rapport of a mating that’s been don by my male Zico van het Berenschild.
As you can see, it’s saying that my male Zico van het Berenschild is excluding as the father of the puppy Figo Hof Chao.
That’s mean that the breeder of kennel Hof Chao has made fraud to put his own male Bono Hof Chao (not allowed to mate for Belgian Rottweiler Club) on his bitch Donna von Burg Hardenburg.
That means also that the puppy Fellippa Hof Chao (lives in Denmark) is also probably not from Zico, and also will have a false pedigree (maybe no pedigree)!
Steps will be done to punish this breeder that has done this against all ethics!!
That’s means also that it’s unsecured for his past and also for future breeding if that pedigrees are or will be correct!
Believe, if he put his own male after a mating with my male, he will do the same after a mating with any other male!
Off course he will blame it on his wife that she let his male together with his just mated birch.
But this is a definite lie!
There are eye witnesses that have seen it that he did this on purpose, just to use my male his name (Champion male!).
Off course he is strong with words, and can convince a lot of people.
This is just an other lie from him, that put his own fails and cheating on other peoples name!

http://www.berenschild.be/dna/Healthgene.jpg

[Major]

This is a topic concerning the accuracy or lack of, for both DNA testing, and the ethics of a breeder submitting the sample. We will allow objective discussion, and objective discussion ONLY. This will not become a topic about the individual breeder.