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Old 03-08-2006, 09:39 AM
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Re: Question About Giant Rotts

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Yeah,it shows what are supposed to be rotts upwards of 200lbs. I had no idea rotts could even get that big.Patti, the guy in your office must be a fisherman if he states he has a 250 lb bitch,quite an exaggeration. and then to admit to paying $15,000 for it!!!wonder if he'd be interested in some swamp land.
LOL! That's why I said "what do you say to something like that"?? I've never seen ANY 250 pound dog, let alone a rottie. But this was some macho guy that I'm sure thought I would be really impressed with all that. What I wanted to say is you've gone one huge imagination along with one really fat bitch and if you paid $15,000 for her, you've also got a very tiny little brain!


 
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Old 03-08-2006, 11:15 AM
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I had a delivery guy come into our office one day and comment on the pictures I have at my desk of my dogs. Told me Rocco was a really gorgeous dog. Then proceeded to tell me about his female rottie - a 250 pound bitch he went to Germany to get - trained for protection and he paid $15,000 for her. Okay, so what do you say to something like that???? (I said, "is that right"? - very politely......)
Like a delivery guy could afford a $15,000 dog, he probably can't even pay that much for his cars! Sounds like one of them story teller type deliveries. Hahaha!

I don't understand the obsession with wanting such a large Rottweiler. Why can't people be happy with an animal the way it is? They have been around a very long time and I don't think continually breeding the largest dogs is ever going to get them that much bigger overall. They will never get as large as Mastiffs. My vet was telling me one of his patients just insisted that his Rottie had to be bigger than his neighbors. He only ended up with a fat, unhealthy dog! Unbelievable!
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Old 03-08-2006, 11:47 AM
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Re: Question About Giant Rotts

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We aren't talking about a dog that "just happened" to be much larger than the parents. That does in fact happen. We are talking about purposefully setting out to breed dogs that are extra large, outside the standard, just because this person wants to sell people on the idea that bigger is better. Rottweilers aren't just about size. There's a reason for a breed standard with an upper limit, along with all the other specifications.

Is this breeder screening for other health problems that would be made worse in a larger dog (hips, elbows, hearts, etc.) Yes, this breeder's dogs have AKC papers. But, as we've all learned from other threads, that doesn't mean much. There are dogs that aren't purebred running around with AKC papers that say they are purebred. And, "breeders" don't need to be catering to those people who just want the biggest Rottie they can find, without regard to anything else.

Actually they did have the dogs screened for health problems. I had a print out from there vet regarding there dogs and a health screening for mine. Just wondering how do they excatly breed to get huge dogs. I just dont get how they can get "giant" rottweilers. My dog right now is about 155 and we are working on droping some of his weight now. I was in a car accident and could not walk him for a while... I just mean he is huge in the fact that he is really tall, not sure where he got it from but he just is


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Old 03-08-2006, 11:58 AM
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Re: Question About Giant Rotts

[QUOTE=Pavel]I think there were two forms of the Rottweiler - a smaller herding one and a larger one. QUOTE]

"smaller herding one..." Hmmm, my herding champion Toby was 27", top of the standard! And his best stock was ducks! (Actually, in the interest of accuracy here, MY best stock was ducks - never did REALLY "get" sheep! I tell people all the time that I LOVE ducks - they travel at a speed I can think!)


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Old 03-08-2006, 12:05 PM
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Re: Question About Giant Rotts

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Actually they did have the dogs screened for health problems. I had a print out from there vet regarding there dogs and a health screening for mine.
I'm betting what you got was a statement from the vet saying they are ok.

When we talk about health clearances, we mean clearances from OFA on hips, hearts, eyes and elbows. Your normal vet cannot do these clearances, only OFA. Your vet can take the x-rays for the hips and elbows, but OFA has to certify them. Hearts can only be certified by a canine cardiologist and eyes by a certified Ophthalmologist. A statement from your normal vet is not considered health certification in the true sense of the words.
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Old 03-08-2006, 01:35 PM
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Re: Question About Giant Rotts

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I'm betting what you got was a statement from the vet saying they are ok.

When we talk about health clearances, we mean clearances from OFA on hips, hearts, eyes and elbows. Your normal vet cannot do these clearances, only OFA. Your vet can take the x-rays for the hips and elbows, but OFA has to certify them. Hearts can only be certified by a canine cardiologist and eyes by a certified Ophthalmologist. A statement from your normal vet is not considered health certification in the true sense of the words.

You may be right but I personally did alot of looking and asked for references for the breeder before i paid for my dog. Like i said he is my first rottweiler but my parents have two so i did know alot before. His parents where normal size rottweilers with no health problems and none of the other litters ever had anything negitive to say. I am now learning about ofa and everything but i did do my research that i thought was good.


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Old 03-08-2006, 02:44 PM
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Re: Question About Giant Rotts

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I had a delivery guy come into our office one day and comment on the pictures I have at my desk of my dogs. Told me Rocco was a really gorgeous dog. Then proceeded to tell me about his female rottie - a 250 pound bitch he went to Germany to get - trained for protection and he paid $15,000 for her. Okay, so what do you say to something like that???? (I said, "is that right"? - very politely......)
I saw on the TV about a year ago that the largest dog currently alive lives in Maine (I think - somewhere up there) in a little town. It is a fawn black mask english mastiff - I had one identical to it. Mine was 182 pounds when I had her PTS. She was very tall. While I made dinner she rested her head on the kitchen counters while standing on all 4's. Her head was up to my waist. As far as the largest :

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Adult males generally run about 160-230 pounds, females are normally between 120-170 pounds. Males over 200 pounds are not too uncommon and a few females reach these weights. According to the Guinness Book of Records the record holder for the world's largest dog is Zorba, a Mastiff, at 343 pounds. He stood 37 inches at the shoulder and was 8 foot 3 inches from the tip of his nose to the tip of his tail. Zorba set this record in November, 1989, when he was 8 years old.
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So he is proud of the fact that he got a female rott that is bigger than the high end of a male mastiff? It's not like rotties have a very good life expectancy as it is. His poor dog is probably doomed to an even earlier death, and I would guess a lifetime of terrible problems with hips, elbows, eyes, heart, etc. And he paid $15,000 for that? Hope he doesn't mind dropping another 15K on medical bills. Poor dog, stupid humans. I do not for one second believe that any breeder that produces 200 pound rotties consistently is doing all of the health checks they should be doing. And any idiot that goes out with the intention to purchase such a dog should be looking for a different breed.

That is my rant for the day. Thank you....


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Old 03-08-2006, 03:27 PM
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How sad for our Rottie friends.....I imagine there are many health consequences to "breeding Giants". It also shows how a lot of people like to feed into the Big BAd Rottie stigma - Then lawmakers turn around and make laws banning these dogs! IMO the general public's breed standard for the Rott is BIG and FEROCIAOUS........


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Re: Question About Giant Rotts

Actually, you can get a heart certified by any vet - practioner, specialist or cardiologist; your number will just reflect who did it with either a P, S or C.

I prefer and strongly recommend a cardiologist as some of these murmurs are very slight but you would not have BELIEVED the song and dance I got from some people when I lost my dog to SAS and recommended that they have CLOSE relatives checked! They even told me that there were NO dog cardiologists in Southern California and they would have to go up to UC Davis!


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Re: Question About Giant Rotts

I'm just trying to imagine the POINT of 250 pound rottie...IF one does in fact exist!!!!

And here I though my 75 pound Bear was large and unwieldy....

Where would you get a collar, gentle leader or harness for a dog that big?

The biggest dog I've seen is a 120 pound Leonberger...and even she's a little overweight...she has the whole coffee table back thing going on
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Old 03-08-2006, 06:14 PM
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Re: Question About Giant Rotts

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You may be right but I personally did alot of looking and asked for references for the breeder before i paid for my dog. Like i said he is my first rottweiler but my parents have two so i did know alot before. His parents where normal size rottweilers with no health problems and none of the other litters ever had anything negitive to say. I am now learning about ofa and everything but i did do my research that i thought was good.
There are always exceptions to the rule. What you have to look at here is what the Rottweiler is intended to be. 150lb, 250lb, etc is not it. Our breed is supposed to athletic, in regular terms, or in sports terms the Rottweiler should be a Linebacker or Runningback of the dog world. Strong, solid, and agile for its size and build. They are not supposed to be "linemen".
Before joining this forum years ago, I thought I knew about Rottweilers. I soon learned that I had not learned enough, period. My knowledge was very limited, and what I thought I knew was more BS than anything else.
I cannot stress enough that one of the most crucial aspects to buying a puppy or researching a breeder is looking at the health clearances. Like stated by other members, Hips, Elbows, Eyes, Hearts, thyroid.
In my opinion, people that are true lovers of this amazing breed should aspire to have a Rottweiler that can be an ambassodor of the breed, from temperment, to working ability, to confirmation.
The bottom line is that Rotties that are 150lbs+ and Rotties that are marketed that way are usually back yard bred, and not good for the breed.
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Old 03-08-2006, 07:20 PM
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I saw on the TV about a year ago that the largest dog currently alive lives in Maine (I think - somewhere up there) in a little town. It is a fawn black mask english mastiff - I had one identical to it. Mine was 182 pounds when I had her PTS. She was very tall. While I made dinner she rested her head on the kitchen counters while standing on all 4's. Her head was up to my waist. As far as the largest :


courtesy of:
http://mastiff.org/faq/faq.mv#II08c

So he is proud of the fact that he got a female rott that is bigger than the high end of a male mastiff? It's not like rotties have a very good life expectancy as it is. His poor dog is probably doomed to an even earlier death, and I would guess a lifetime of terrible problems with hips, elbows, eyes, heart, etc. And he paid $15,000 for that? Hope he doesn't mind dropping another 15K on medical bills. Poor dog, stupid humans. I do not for one second believe that any breeder that produces 200 pound rotties consistently is doing all of the health checks they should be doing. And any idiot that goes out with the intention to purchase such a dog should be looking for a different breed.

That is my rant for the day. Thank you....

Sometimes you cannot predict the size of the rottweilers you get. duggans parents The father was 130 and the mom was 110. duggan is about 150-160. We are working on his weight right now due to Possible knee and hip problems in the future. he is not unporportiond at all but he did get extremely large(tall). 250 is extremely large and nothing to brag about.It just seems to me that everone is "down" so to speak on a rottweiler that happens to get big. That is my opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!also duggan happens to be tall enough to rest his head on the counter with no problem. None of the other rottweilers from the same parents are as big as he just happened to get.


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Old 03-08-2006, 07:32 PM
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There are always exceptions to the rule. What you have to look at here is what the Rottweiler is intended to be. 150lb, 250lb, etc is not it. Our breed is supposed to athletic, in regular terms, or in sports terms the Rottweiler should be a Linebacker or Runningback of the dog world. Strong, solid, and agile for its size and build. They are not supposed to be "linemen".
Before joining this forum years ago, I thought I knew about Rottweilers. I soon learned that I had not learned enough, period. My knowledge was very limited, and what I thought I knew was more BS than anything else.
I cannot stress enough that one of the most crucial aspects to buying a puppy or researching a breeder is looking at the health clearances. Like stated by other members, Hips, Elbows, Eyes, Hearts, thyroid.
In my opinion, people that are true lovers of this amazing breed should aspire to have a Rottweiler that can be an ambassodor of the breed, from temperment, to working ability, to confirmation.
The bottom line is that Rotties that are 150lbs+ and Rotties that are marketed that way are usually back yard bred, and not good for the breed.
I understand what you are saying but like i have said his parents are not that big at all and the other dogs from his litter and past are not nearly as as big as he happened to get. When i got him it was not my intention to get a big rottweiler. I just wanted a rottweiler. I am learning alot more as i search this site. I just wanted to let you know that is was not my or the breeders intention for him do be BIG.Also i do know what a rottweiler is supposed to be. Like i have said my parents have 2 and i have a ton of books on rottweilers.I did not jump blindly into this i knew rottweilers were herding dogs not "Linemen"

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Old 03-08-2006, 07:51 PM
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Re: Question About Giant Rotts

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Sometimes you cannot predict the size of the rottweilers you get. duggans parents The father was 130 and the mom was 110. duggan is about 150-160.
Even those numbers are at least on the high side of "normal" size Rotties, but they help explain how Duggan got to be his size. I hope they were also on the tall side, if they weigh that much. It's good that you are trying to get his weight down. I try picturing a Rottie that weighs two-thirds again what mine does, even given the fact that he's tall, and I can see he's got to lose weight and be KEPT on the lean side, to minimize potential issues.

We are "down" on purposely breeding grossly oversized Rotties, and we are down on breeding just any Rottie because it's a "nice" dog. Being out of the size standard is just one issue. Our beloved dogs have enough health problems without potentially adding to them by selling people on these oversized dogs, and by indiscriminate breeding generally.


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Old 03-08-2006, 08:14 PM
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Oversize Rottweilers are bred by folks MAKING money! They do not have the health checks done! Just find owners buying their Rott's....AND you think bigger is better...no way! Check out the STANDARD OF THE ROTTWEILER!
Not all breeders want to do the "show" thing.....But without any titles you have a BYB dog.
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