Kimbertal Kennels

[CarolineS]

reif,

Since I've been the most vocal in this thread, let me be the first to say welcome. As you say you've read all the posts about Kimbertal on this forum, you must have run across the ones posted by people who had first-hand experience with the place, were very, very unhappy and ended up with sick or crippled dogs. Most of us are motivated to speak out to try and ensure that others don't have to go through the same thing.

We all hope that people will do their research, find out what health checks they should be asking for, find out what the breed standard is, find out what they should be looking for temperament wise, unfortunately, not everyone does. If they are lucky enough to find a responsible breeder, they will learn these things. The lady with the 175 lb dog probably didn't know any better, probably thought they were supposed to be giant dogs...and you're right, if a dog is predisposed to HD, this kind of weight would aggravate it immensely.

People can be ignorant of the facts and we can't do a whole bunch to change that, but to my mind, a responsible breeder will soon set them straight, not just go ahead and sell them an out-of-standard dog, charge an exorbitant price and send them merrily on their way, thinking they have a correct dog.



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[jensav]

reif, may i ask why you are so intent on restoring kimbertal's reputation? i understand that you may have kimbertal dogs, and you would like to feel that you made a sound choice. honestly, though, people here aren't here to discredit kimbertal for fun. they do have a terrible reputation, one that is not undeserved.

i have firsthand kimbertal experience. my breeder got a bitch from kimbertal as their first dog, "before they knew better". they would not ever get another one, and would not participate in their breeding program.

i could say more, but have a feeling it's not "allowed" on the forum, as it may be considered slanderous. i'll stop there. do you know anyone who has successfully challenged their contract and has emerged victorious?

however, saying that an article doesn't matter because it's five years old is ridiculous. it's fact, just because its not current doesn't make it irrelevant. five years is one or two generations ago. that matters.

there are decent dogs, or even the occassional good dog, that come out of kimbertal. but that is not the norm. breeding a dog without OFA-ing them is irresponsible, plain and simple.

[Alaskan]

reif
I applaude you on searching for the facts and truth about kimbertal, especially the most recent ones. I've personally never dealt with or nor do I know anyone who has bought a pup from them, but I'm always ready hear the facts about a kennel not what papers tell us. I have read all of the posts on kimbertal and find more bad than good about the kennel,but not all it seems have had such a bad time from them while others it appears have been hurt by it. Please keep us posted on what you discover about them. I think will help those not only on this board but whoever may be just lurking too that are considering buying from this kennel. They'll be able to weigh the good and bad then decide for themselves on whether to call or avoid them. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif

[Alaskan]

I wasn't trying to start an arguement all over again. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/rolleyes.gif I'm not cheering the kennel on, but what others decide to do is their business. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif The information and opinions are here aplenty and that is good. I have seen what they have to offer and have never bought or refferred anyone to them. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif That was just my two cents not another dig at anyone. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif

I do believe the statement about this being a less than satisfactory kennel was already made and put in the exact or (near) exact terms that you just stated them to me in. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif So I don't see any point on discussing that part of it any further. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif

[AngelBunny]

Alaskan:

There is nothing to weigh about this kennel, nothing to decide about them--with them, it's open and shut. No one who knows anything about Rotties would ever consider buying from them. Kimbertal breeds dogs that *are out of standard* and they seem proud of it.

They think that Rotties come in three sizes:
Standard Size
Above Standard
Superior Size -When Available

(They also offer "Show Quality"--whatever this means.)

Checking their pedigree info shows not one dog within standard, since the Rotties range in height from 28" to 31-1/2". These dogs were whelped anywhere from *1978* to 1993.

For the "facts" about them, go to their Website--the facts are all there, courtesy of the kennel.


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[maco]

I understand why all of the protectors of the Rottweiler breed jump all over this kennel. Any responsible person who truly knows what the rottweiler should look like and act like,knows that kimbertal kennel is a disgrace.These dogs are a watered down version of what once was the rottweiler. Kimbertal kennel's rottweilers are almost unrecognizable as rottweilers.

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[Brien]

I got my 15month old female rotty (Roxanne) from a friend. He owned both the mother and the father. The mother was a Kimbertal Rotty and let me tell you, I got what was considered a small pup at the time. As she has grown, she has surpassed her siblings by far in health. I am planning on showing her for the first time this spring while 2 of her siblings have hip dislpasia (sp), another has huge buck teeth, and a couple have horrible temperments.

I am not saying that this is a result of the mother being a Kimbertal pup, but a lot of times you can't tell until they are 6 or 8 months old. I picked Roxanne at 3 weeks old based on her temperment and personality. She isn't the largest (98 lbs at 15 months) but she is protective of me and my wife, extremely gentle around children and my ferretts, and always loving.

But I have to say, the first time I took her to the vet, he asked about the parents and when I told him that the mother came from Kimbertal, he said "well you got lucky".

Moral of the story, it is tough sometimes getting a pure bread puppy because you never know what is going to happen. I myself love my Roxxy, and cherish the day I got her.

[suzanne611]

reif, I had personal experiece with Kimbertal I will e-mail you if you like. I would say it was by and large negative. It was not with their rotts but with their Dobes. My current male rott pup has some Kimbertal back some generations and so far he is a peach.

[PowerROTTS]

According to the OFA database only 14 males and 13 females have passed hip certification since 1995. That is a pretty poor record considering the number of puppies they produce each year.



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[Willy]

Kimbertal is a disgrace. I met another owner this weekend with a 6 mo. old who is severely dysplastic. My 2 year old from Kimbertal has had 2 hip replacements in his short life. They should be shut down for their practices.

[rottweiler_fancier]

Ok, I know this topic is very old, but as a note to reif - there is a website up somewhere (I can't remember the exact address) that was created for a Kimbertal Pup. I'm sure the owners would be willing to talk to you, because their pup had an infection on the tail because it was not docked properly. I think it also had a few other health problems, though I'm not sure.
I'll start looking for the website address, and please e-mail me at rottweiler_central@mailcity.com

Also to the person who noted the dog that was titled (and probably the best looking dog on the site), if you take a look, it was not bred by them. It was from another kennel.

-Dana W.

[Tri-Star]

http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/eek.gif www.golden-retriever.com/inquire1.html

You will have to read about other kennels, but it does get to Kimbertal. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/mad.gif


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[Sosa'sMom]

In November of 1996 when I was working with Champaign County Rottweiler Rescue we got a call from a man needing to place there Rottie due to an advanced illness with his wife. The couple was devistated over this but, at the time the dog was not getting what he needed. When we received the papers of this Kimbertal boy we called them and they were all ready to take him back(had a flight # and everything!) UNTIL we told them that he had been neutered! And then things sure did change,they all of a sudden did not have room for that "type"of dog! We were very honest and told them the situation and it was like talking to a brick wall! I really see no need to defend anyone that is this irresponible.
Lisa E.

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[Diane Heller-Vaccaro]

I also don't like the way they word things. Like to order, and then the superior size is a real turnoff. Kimbertal is also taboo to the fila breed, infact I spoke with a guy just the other day who purchased a fila puppy from them for $1,500 that's not an unreasonable amount of money for a good quality puppy but they produce anything but and this guy is so unhappy with this puppy and its temperment he actually tells people to stay away from the breed I say stay away from the breeder.

[Rescuesr4m3]

I can report from my own experience that Kimbertal broke my heart. About two years ago my mother was on a business trip to Philadelphia and I was asked to go with. I had seen so many ads for Kimbertal that it seemed liked the Disney Land of Dogs and I wanted to check out this "Top Kennel".
Have you ever seen the look in a dog's eye that begs you to take him home? Now imagine this, seeing that look in about 15 puppies eyes who are in a pen with paper scraps below them. Granted, they didn't have the wires and pooh to your knees image we think of when we are speakingof a puppymill, but it is far from the place that I had imagined. I personally know an absolutely wonderful older gentleman who purchased a Doberman from them. Where is his dog today? Dead! Why? The dog has severe nerve damage. He did receive a replacement dog and that's a story that I don't have enough time to write about.
I have to say, I am new here..but this thread certainly has given me a sense of real community. It's also nice to see so many opinions. However, it is sad to see that it's a subject that doesn't bring much joy. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/frown.gif Just my thoughts.....

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