Missing OFA #'s on AKC Pedigree

[ebony]

I was online yesterday and I ordered my pups Four generation AKC for her Damn and Sire. To my surprise, I saw in the family tree, that quite a few of the Rotties did not have the OFA # next to their name. I am very upset because I was told that the hips of my pups mother were OFA cert.. When I look by her name no OFA #. Does this mean her hips where never certified? Or is it something that they will only post with show title dogs?I am a bit upset with my breeder because I called to speak with her and she informed me that she is on the second try of breeding my pups mom to Champ. The first try didn't take. Did you ever hear the saying "you find out after the fact". What bothers me is that my pup is only 10 months old and my breeder is already mating her mother again. Is this normal? If my pups mom is not OFA certified would the owners of Champ breed him to her? Could you guys help me out. I am confused. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/confused.gif

[Orville Story]

First I would apperciate it if you were to give Champ's full name. I would not want any one to confuse that dog with mine.

When asking for hip certifications ask for the numbers. You can contact OFA for hip ratings. However, if the dog is an import then the hips could have been done in Europe and the rating will not appear on the pedigree. Also all dogs that are in the pedigree that are not AKC registered will not have an OFA #. Which would be the case on an Import.

10 months would be the proper time to breed after a litter.

[Alaskan]

You can always call the OFA registry to find out if your pup's parents are hip rated. The phone number should be on the pedigree when you get it.

[Carol Burke]

If the dogs in the pedigree have not been tatooed or microchipped AKC will not publish their OFA results. You can go to the OFA website, put in the dog's name and AKC number and get the OFA information. However, I have had some dogs not come up on the OFA site even though I have their certificates, so it is not 100% accurate.

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Carol
Darrlburg Rottweilers

[ebony]

Sorry Orville, I didn't know you where the owner of a Rottie named Champ. Sorry Champ Vom Vistaler Land. I am not trying to offend anyone just trying the learn the facts.

[Orville Story]

Ebony,
It was not offensive, I just did not want any confussion.



[This message has been edited by Phoenix (edited December 11, 2000).]

[WillowWin's]

To me that is why checking before hand research is so very important anyone can tell you she/he is hip okay but make them show you ther certificates if they had them xrayed then they have a certificate.
Always get the information first before going and doing it blindly dont ask them if they are have them show it to you...Proof works better then words.

Kevin

[ebony]

Kevin,

Believe me I didn't go into this blindly. I looked at over a dozen breeders litters and the breeder themselves. It took me a year before I decided on this breeder. She was also recommended a reputable breeder. I know I saw the certification on my pups father but not the mother. My husband just informed me that the breeder did show him both hip certifications. I must have been caught up in the moment of finally finding a pup because I was getting discouraged. This is not my first Rottie and it will most likely not be my last. I learned from my husbands problems with his first girl that buying from an AKC pet store doesn't come close to a guarantee of a healthy pup. We still have his first female but she is what we call the walking wounded. Or as my surgeon described her "an orthopedic mess". We love her just the same. Three major surgeries later and all. Anyway, I just wanted to make it clear that I would never go into getting a Rottie Blindly. It is one of the reasons I didn't rescue I couldn't afford another mishap. http://www.rottweiler.net/rottie/smile.gif

[Orville Story]

Is the dam of your pup an Import? If so then it is very posible that the hips are certified, but the certification is not recognized by the AKC. That would explain why many of the dogs in the pedigree don't show a certification on an AKC pedigree. That does not mean that the Dam's hips are not certified.

I know that the breeder that you refer to has several import bitches that would fall into that category.

[frontierrots]

VERY rarely does a complete OFA status appear on a pedigree. AKC only puts those OFA results on pedigrees that the dogs were chipped or tattood. Also AKC will not acknowledge any hips evaluated by GDC or Pennhip. I don't trust AKC for anything other than parentage. Not for titles, hips or even color

I will never order a pedigree from AKC for those reasons. There are many excellant pedigree places of them Evrmor would be my choice because they use Bonnie Wimberly's Delphi database

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Diane
Frontier Rottweilers & Shiba Inu and
Volunteer with NorthEast Rottweiler Rescue & Referral http://www.rottrescue.org

[ebony]

I am confused. Yes, I believe my breeder has import bitches. I don't, however think my pups mom is imported. I see from the pedigree that both sets of grandparents are indeed imported. I did a lot of research before I chose my breeder. I chose her because of their love for the breed. Her litters were among some of the prettiest I've seen. I guess like Diane says, I should not put my trust in what the AKC pedigrees print up. I will try and the sites she recommended.

What I got from my breeder was that she was very into Schutzhund. She educated me in that area completely. I had a very bad view of Schutzhund until I spoke with her and my trainer. I don't believe her to be heavy into showing. Although I can't say that she hasn't been in the ring. I know my pup is of good quality. Because if you saw her you would understand.

I got a bit of a scare when my pup had trouble getting up after a long play session at the dog run. It turned out to be a pulled inner thigh muscle. I ran her way to much for one day. I do have to apologize to my breeder for jumping the gun on HD. It is so rampid in this breed it is almost impossible not to.

I do trust my breeder. She was extremely upset and concerned when I called her about my pups hips. She was very helpful and informative and has always helped me out when I needed it. It is just very frustrating when you don't know how to read a pedigree. Thank everyone for your help.

[ebony]

Diane,

How do I get in touch with these pedigree places you recommend? I tried finding them in Yahoo search but with no success.

[Carol Burke]

Ebony, You can reach Evrmor at evrmor@home.com.

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Carol
Darrlburg Rottweilers

[AngelBunny]

ebony:

Going the breeder route doesn't necessarily guarantee you anything because there are no guarantees for good or bad in life. I don't wish your comment "I would never go into getting a Rottie Blindly. It is one of the reasons I didn't rescue I couldn't afford another mishap" to be misconstrued. (First of all, I'm sure we're all agreed that one should *never* acquire a pet "blindly.")

This past summer we had to put our 8 yr Riga down from complications due to nasal carcinoma. Her mom had a string of impressive titles (including SchH III) and had all sorts of health clearances. Riga's father also was titled and had health clearances. Riga's mom just died at 14; her father died at 9 from cancer. Going the breeder route may improve your chances of getting a healthy dog, but please don't think it's a guarantee because genes are so much of a crap shoot.

Some dogs in rescue have their hips x-rayed when they're neutered or spayed. When our latest rescue was spayed, her hips were x-rayed. While Mox was around 6 mo old at the time & who knows what her hips will be like at 2, her hips now are excellent. You can get a perfectly healthy, fine dog thru rescue.

[ebony]

Angelbunny,

No harm intended. What I meant was I had to take the safest route humanly possible by seeing as much of the dogs background as possible. I actually discovered rescue organizations when I joined this board. I never knew that their were so many Rotties up for adoption until after I already had my pup. I know rescue is sometimes a good way to go. I would adopt them all if I could.