Need Help/info on difference between male/female pups and growth!!!

[dogsbestfriend]

Hello all,

I've been checking out this forum for about a month now but this is my first time posting.. I think all of you are great and give very good detailed opinions and are very willing to help someone in need to make their dogs life better..

I have a question about a rott puppy I am going to be getting, its a pretty "dog" general question but since it is a rott, I thought I'd ask you good people of this forum !!!!

I have been talking to the breeder I am getting my pup from. Initially I wanted a boy, simply because I loved the characteristics of the male that they mated. Well, the word is that the pick of the litter is actually a female... She said that they actually thought it was a male until they got a closer look at the pups..They are only 2 weeks old and she says the female is already twice the size of everyone else in the litter(3 boys and 3 girls). She said that if she had to chose, she would get the female because she shows the size, and the markings of the father, which are flawless,(which I loved)... more so than the males..

My question is this... In general, male dogs of a species always grow bigger than a female..right? So, would it matter that this partcular female is this much bigger than all the males.. Are the males going to out grow her anyway due to genetics of male vs female size.. OR are there exceptions where a female is bigger if not the same size as its male counter parts... I did want a male because I liked THEIR male, but if a breeder you trust blatantly says, "the female looks exactly like OUR male looked when he was a puppy".. what is one to do?? I am going to see them Friday and I will get a better idea of the look but any advice, or knowledge you can give will be GREATLY appreciated..

Help??

[Burnsway]

My personal advice would be to go for the pup who has a personality you are more likely to click with, not on how the dog looks. Responsible breeders usually pick the pup for you. Make the match they believe fits well with your home and families needs in a dog.

I don't want to pass judgment but a breeder that doesn't know the sex of the dogs that are already 2 weeks old sounds a bit weird to me. How does she know the markings are flawless. Does she show her dogs?

[Patty1231]

My only advice would be this: if you want pick of the litter, go with the female; if you want a male, go with a male. Sorry I can't be of much more help than that. I don't know a lot about breeding other than the lines are important as well as the direct parents but, if you liked the match-up, the males will most likely be beautiful, too. Congrats on the new puppy!

[Bucky's Mom]

Originally Posted by dogsbestfriend

Hello all,

I've been checking out this forum for about a month will be GREATLY appreciated..

I have to echo Burnsway's concerns - have you read through the archives and checked to make sure that you have a breeder who's judgement you can trust??

[groupieindenial]

Pups change a heck of a lot from 2 weeks, to 7 weeks! My pup was the big fatty of the litter, and he's not as big as his brothers turned out. He DID however turn out to have the nice dome shaped head like we thought, but his beefiness just turned out to have a longer torso once grown. Regardless I'm glad I got him, it sounds like I got the least stubborn male of the bunch! I am curious to see how his siblings grew up.

[Burnsway]

Originally Posted by Bucky's Mom

I have to echo Burnsway's concerns -

And to add to those concerns. When are you getting the pup? I hope not Friday when you go see them.....

[Bucky's Mom]

Originally Posted by dogsbestfriend

I have been talking to the breeder I am getting my pup from. Initially I wanted a boy, simply because I loved the characteristics of the male that they mated. Well, the word is that the pick of the litter is actually a female... She said that they actually thought it was a male until they got a closer look at the pups..They are only 2 weeks old and she says the female is already twice the size of everyone else in the litter(3 boys and 3 girls). She said that if she had to chose, she would get the female because she shows the size, and the markings of the father, which are flawless,(which I loved)... more so than the males..

Does the breeder own the male AND the female?? Have you met both dogs?

[Judi W]

Just a very important point. Pick is not determined by size but by correctness. If this breeder thinks that is what determines the quality, in the words of Monty Python "run away run away"...... I too think something is seriously wrong with a breeder than does not know one sex from another. Sex is determined by the plumbing, not size.

[Burnsway]

Originally Posted by Judi W

Sex is determined by the plumbing, not size.

Yes, they either got an inny or an outty. I don't breed, but think I could figure that one out from day one....

[dogsbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Burnsway

My personal advice would be to go for the pup who has a personality you are more likely to click with, not on how the dog looks. Responsible breeders usually pick the pup for you. Make the match they believe fits well with your home and families needs in a dog.

I don't want to pass judgment but a breeder that doesn't know the sex of the dogs that are already 2 weeks old sounds a bit weird to me. How does she know the markings are flawless. Does she show her dogs?

She has been known what they were, we have been playing phone for the past week and a half.. and yes she shows the male.. I took the word flawless lightly, I'm taking as " the dog has all the proper markings of the breed standard"..

[dogsbestfriend]

Originally Posted by groupieindenial

Pups change a heck of a lot from 2 weeks, to 7 weeks! My pup was the big fatty of the litter, and he's not as big as his brothers turned out. He DID however turn out to have the nice dome shaped head like we thought, but his beefiness just turned out to have a longer torso once grown. Regardless I'm glad I got him, it sounds like I got the least stubborn male of the bunch! I am curious to see how his siblings grew up.

yeah, and thats what my thougts were.. alot can change in a puppy from 2 weeks to 8 weeks..

[dogsbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Burnsway

And to add to those concerns. When are you getting the pup? I hope not Friday when you go see them.....

LOL!! No, not at all.. I'll be getting him/her at 8 to 9 weeks old..

[dogsbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Bucky's Mom

Does the breeder own the male AND the female?? Have you met both dogs?

Yup.. I've met both dogs.. twice actually..LOL!! They are both beautiful dogs.. and very well taken care of, well mannered and pampered beyond my belief..

The female even let me rub her belly while pregnant... how cool was that !!

[dogsbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Burnsway

Yes, they either got an inny or an outty. I don't breed, but think I could figure that one out from day one....

Well, when she called me the day they were born, she said verbatim "She just had the pups today and it looks like we got 4 boys and 2 girls, she(the dog) is acting kind of nasty right now since she just had them so we are giving her some room to calm down so we can get in and verify what we have.. but it looks like 4 boys and 2 girls"..

Now I am guessing, putting two and two together, that the big female she is speaking of was assumed to be a male.. and yesterday was the first day we spoke since the day they were born.

[rottcrazed]

How can anyone assess a pup as the pick of the litter at 2 weeks of age???

My pups are almost 4 weeks, and just now really exhibiting personality and movement.

At 2 weeks old, although they were active and trying to walk, I couldn't tell you who was what as far as conformation or personality.

And, my biggest pup has changed a dozen times already. My biggest male is the biggest in the litter, and doesn't mean he is the one going to a show home at this point as I really cannot see what his overall structure is like (when we take our first stacked up photos this weekend, I might start to see something I like in some).

At two weeks, you either have an AWESOME eye, or you are going for size alone.

Kristi