registration with akc possible ??

[beyerclan5]

I have a question regarding registration with AkC . I just recently rescued a 6 week old rotti pup from a non english speaking family. When picking her up i tried to find out if if she is or if i could get her registered....no succes of course. As far as i know ......well, no clue of where she came from (parents, breeder or else). My question is, can i get her registered in any way and if yes how do i go about it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated..

[lblax]

you can get an ilp number from the akc so she can compete in obediance and such but thats about it .... without any knowledge of where she come from or even if she is full blooded you cannot get registered... just a question if you wanted a registed dog why buy it in this situation that you bought

[SABELLESMOM]

http://www.akc.org/registration/ilpex.cfm

If you have no knowlege of where she was bred or her parentage, it's the only way to go. With this you can participate in agility, obedience, tracking, lure coarsing, etc...bascially anything but conformation.

You will need 2 color photos: complete body profile and a frontal, as I recall. You will also need proof of neuter/spay from your vet. Our rescue Cocker has one for agility. The cost is $25. and you can download the form(s).

[RottieMom51503]

I just went through a similar situation. I bought a puppy with no papers. The Breeder told me he didn't register the litter because they were long haired Rotts. He also said " After fixing the puppy and showing him proof he would sign the needed documents to get the puppy registered if I still wanted papers". I called AKC about it because I wanted Papers on him ( In case something happened I thought if my Dad co - signed for him then he could make sure he was well taken care of if something happened) ( I'm now learning that still won't matter). Anyways AKC told me if the Breeder did register the litter I can not get papers.

[spidey]

AKC told me if the Breeder did register the litter I can not get papers.

Are you sure this is what they said? As far as I know, if a litter is registered, the breeder MUST supply you with the papers (and cannot charge you extra for them), and if it's not registered, you can get an ILP (or even if it is registered but you don't have the papers). Keep in mind that papers aren't the only way to prove ownership.

[RottieMom51503]

I'm sorry for the mix up. AKC said if the litter wasn't registered I could not get papers. My puppy's litter wasn't registered.

[spidey]

Ah, in that case, as SABELLESMOM says, once she's spayed you can get an ILP for her, which allows you to compete in performance events (and puts you on record as the registered owner).

[RottieMom51503]

I have a question about Registration. I have a nine month old Female who is AKC registered. About two Years ago Dan (my finacee) bought me a Rottweiler From Daphne's Breeder as a birthday present. When she was about 7 months old I got sick and wasn't able to care for. I had two large ovarian cysts and endometrosis. It was bad enough that it seemed I lived in the hospital until they did surgery and then for about three weeks afterwards I lived in bed. Anyhow, Dan was supposed to be taking care of my dog but thought it was unfair for her because I was away and couldn't care for her and he worked 16 hours a day 6 days a week. So he sold her and I didn't know about it till I came home (I know I should of left him then and should now for other reasons). What really upsets me is my Dad asked him about the dog and said he would take her if she was a burden on Dan. My Dad called the people that bought her to try and get her back but they said their kids were to attached to her to get rid of her. About six months later Dan brought another Rottweiler from the same breeder home. That one is my now 9 month old Daphne. I've been scared of it happening again. I've been sick again here lately and this is sticking in my mind. I'm 10 times closer to this one than I was to the other. I had my Dad sign as a co-signer to her on her AKC papers. Will that stand up in court. As many health problems as I've already had at just 23 years old I'm scared of something happening to me and Daphne not being taken care of. I think Dan might neglect her because he is that busy. He comes home falls asleep in the kitchen chair and sometimes won't wake up until his supervisor calls wanting to know hwere he is the next morning. Then he rushes out the door and never thinks to let the dogs out or feed them. I guess what i'm trying to say is that if something should happen to me I want My parents to take Daphne without any problems.

[Carol Burke]

First of all why do you want to live with such an uncaring person? You can make out a will leaving the dog to your dad in case you should die. If your dad is the co-owner of the dog make sure he has a copy of her registration and that he knows you want him to take the dog should you become sick again. Maybe write out a statement to that effect.

The main thing is to make sure your dad and your boyfriend know what your wishes are.

[Mojave's Mom]

Cynthia,

I agree with Carol. I also suffer from ovarian cysts (just got out of the hospital not long ago for similar reasons as yours)....Along with doing what Carol said with writting something up if/when you feel the pain coming back on, I would personally call up my dad and ask him to come pick up the dog before leaving for the hospital.

Personally, I'd leave a guy who treated my animals the way you described. If you're engaged to him, you should probably consider how he'll treat your children should you ever have any with him. You don't need (or deserve) a man like that in your life. Neither do your dogs.

Good luck.

[RottieMom51503]

Yes I agree the only reason I am still here is because (I don't want to air my Dad's Bussiness here) but he is filing for Banckrupcy and might lose his house.My mother became sick in 1999 with Breast Cancer and hasn't been able to work much. I am also going to have to file Bankrupcy because i've been out of work off and on because of Illnesses. I think it will be hard for him to find a place that him, my mom and their dogs could without adding me and Daphne to the mix. I don't have a college education yet (Trying to get a grant to go) so I cannot afford a place on my own. Also I have stayed home for almost 18 months now because which ever job I have found wasn't suitable for a girl (According to my Boyfriend). I have talked with my Dad and he is talking to his Lawyer about keeping the House. Once I know for sure that my Dad is keeping the House I am gone. I'm scared of putting myself in a situation where I would lose Daphne. I would live in my car to keep her but that's no life for her. I think I have said it before I don't leave my dogs alone and this is why. If I have to go somewhere where Daphne can't go I drive an hour to take her to my Dad's to play with his dogs.

When I first met Dan 3 years ago he had a Collie tied up out back at his house. The dog was badly matted and he forgot to feed him most of the time. I didn't realize this until I knew him for a month. Anyways I talked with a neighbor of his that had just started a grooming business and she cleaned him up one day for me. He had to be shaved down like a poodle. After she cleaned him up I put him in the house. I was just dating Dan then and still lived with my Parents but spent a lot of time at his house. When he arrived home from work to find the dog in the house he lost it. He agreed to keep him on the enclosed porch but refused to give him away. So when he went to work I would bring the dog in the house. Dan is like that because of his parents. They are German Baptist and believe a dog is a dog. They don't feed dogs dog food but table scraps and they never take a dog to vet because they think it is a waste of money. Max ended up dying from west niles virus before I really got to know him. A year later Dan bought my first Rottweiler and kept her in the house from the get go. He had no problems with her going to the Vets or Buying premium dog food. He kind of used That Rottweiler as a test to see if a dog could work in a house I think. This is one reason his Mother doesn't like me. Dan stood up to her and told her they were our dogs and would raise them as we see fit. After what he went through with my Dad on our first Rottweiler I don't think he'd sell this one but you never know. He has come a long way from what he used to be.

My Dad has copies of her predigree and her Registration papers. He also keeps copies of all vets records, training, etc. He keeps those so if something ever did happen and he couldn't keep her he could provide new owners with as much information as possible. He also keeps up to date pictures of her stored on his computer. He also has her breeders address and phone number in case he would need that for any reason. My dad had a bad experince with Rottweilers when we took two in for a neighbor. After those dogs he hated Rottweilers but Daphne has changed his mind about Rottweilers. My dad spoils Daphne rotten when they get to see her. She'll go in the kitchen grab a bag of cheetos or whatever she can reach and then run to my dad. He'll laugh at her and feed her some chips. My dad and I have had some issues about breeding her with Dan. Dan wanted her bred because he thought we spent to much on her and wanted to get some money back out of her. I told my Dad he wanted to breed her and he came and picked Daphne up (On his own without me asking) took her to the Vets had her spayed and dropped her back off that night. We are just trying to be really careful and make sure he has no rights to her what so ever.

[dnj90]

When I first met Dan 3 years ago he had a Collie tied up out back at his house. The dog was badly matted and he forgot to feed him most of the time.

This should have been an indication of how he cares for his pets that depend on him.You CANNOT leave a rottweiler tied up in the back yard away from people.Looking for problems.

A year later Dan bought my first Rottweiler and kept her in the house from the get go. He had no problems with her going to the Vets or Buying premium dog food.

What about training,Housebreaking,puppyproofing the house,and toys to keep her occupied when know one is home?I guess he also fills the car with gas when its on E.He takes care of the car quite well too.

He kind of used That Rottweiler as a test to see if a dog could work in a house

And if the dog chewed on his favorite loafers what would he do?Bannish her to the back yard?Or maybe the front porch?These animals need and must have socialization,both with people and animals.Cannot stress this enough.

Dan wanted her bred because he thought we spent to much on her and wanted to get some money back out of her.

This has got to be the most foolish statement yet.Breeding a dog just for money is the worst thing anyone could do.There is so much more involved then a dog haveing puppies.But then again Dan probably thinks,Dog has puppies,we sell puppies,we get money.Just what the breed needs.Another unetheical breeder.The best thing that happend here was your dad getting her fixed.

I am sorry if it sounds like I am comeing down hard on you but you have to understand,The rottweiler is a very strong willed and minded breed.They are very smart and learn quickly.They will learn good or bad quickly,which can end in disaster if they learn the wrong thing.I think what you should do is,for the good of the rottie give him to your dad for the time being,Pick up rottweilers for dummies (a awesome book)And most importantly KICK DAN TO THE CURB!!!!!!

[RottieMom51503]

Originally Posted by dnj90

This should have been an indication of how he cares for his pets that depend on him.You CANNOT leave a rottweiler tied up in the back yard away from people.Looking for problems.


What about training,Housebreaking,puppyproofing the house,and toys to keep her occupied when know one is home?I guess he also fills the car with gas when its on E.He takes care of the car quite well too.


And if the dog chewed on his favorite loafers what would he do?Bannish her to the back yard?Or maybe the front porch?These animals need and must have socialization,both with people and animals.Cannot stress this enough.


This has got to be the most foolish statement yet.Breeding a dog just for money is the worst thing anyone could do.There is so much more involved then a dog haveing puppies.But then again Dan probably thinks,Dog has puppies,we sell puppies,we get money.Just what the breed needs.Another unetheical breeder.The best thing that happend here was your dad getting her fixed.

I am sorry if it sounds like I am comeing down hard on you but you have to understand,The rottweiler is a very strong willed and minded breed.They are very smart and learn quickly.They will learn good or bad quickly,which can end in disaster if they learn the wrong thing.I think what you should do is,for the good of the rottie give him to your dad for the time being,Pick up rottweilers for dummies (a awesome book)And most importantly KICK DAN TO THE CURB!!!!!!

DNJ, One thing you need to realize about Dan. HIS PARENTS acted this way toward dogs and taught this to their kids. When I met Dan and he had the collie tied up out back, I could of yelled at him or whatever in fact I did. My Dad (one of the smartest people I know about Dogs) told me by doing that I did Max no good. Dan was taught that and knew no better. Dan was 20 years old, Had just bought his own place and this was his first dog he had on his own. I had much better results by calmly trying to talk to him about the situation and show him that he would have a better relationship with Max by bringing him inside and making him a part of the family. Yes it took sometime but Dan was willing to learn and listen. I have never had a dog outside tied up and never will. When we bought the first Rottweiler a year went into reading about the Rottweiler and talking to Dan about how I wanted her raised. She was the first dog Dan had ever had in the house. In 3 years Dan went from Having a dog tied up, feeding it horrible food,etc. to Our Rottweiler now that has been in the house from the start, trained, Put of great food, has more toys to play and chew on than any dog I have ever met, etc. Nobody changes overnight. Dan read and learned about Rottweilers with me and talked to several people about them on his own.

Daphne has Never been home alone and is always occupied with something. Yes he takes wonderful care of the Cars. He is a part-time mechanic and works on several peoples cars for free to help them out here where we live.

Daphne was been socialized very well. When we bought her we hired a personal trainer that came to my house to point me in the right direction with puppy proofing, proper chew toys, socialization, etc, etc. Dan realized that she was a puppy that would chew because she was teething and she did.

I never wanted Daphne bred, Dan did. Dan does not read this forum. Daphne was not bred and fixed because of my own reasons, not to satisify anybody else. Again this was suggested by his parents. Dan didn't know any better and was listening to his parents. They think we waste to much money on dogs and that's where his opioion came from.

As far as giving her to my Dad for the time being, NO. That was a terrible statement. You are thinking about the breed not this dog. If I asked my Dad to take this dog he would say "You don't seem to be in a position to not take care of her, You are doing fine, You bought the dog and need to be responsible for her". Daphne and I have been bonding since she was 10 days old. To up root her from her home and just give her away wouldn't do her any good and she would feel abandoned. My mom and Dad watched her for this past Valentines Day. When I picked her up they told me she had done nothing but pace and stare out the windows. Everytime she heard a car like mine she would run to the window to see if it was mine. They couldn't get her to to lay down and be interested in anything else. I have the book you referred and I have had it for over two years now. I have read it several times. I was recommended a couple other books from other members that I am currently reading now. Why do so many of you tell so many people to give their dogs away then complain about the number of unwanted dogs???Daphne is doing great and you don't need to worry about her, that's my job. I work and talk with sevearl people (on here and elsewhere) that care about improving Daphne and my relationship.

[AC1 LPD]

Originally Posted by RottieMom51503

DNJ, One thing you need to realize about Dan. HIS PARENTS acted this way toward dogs and taught this to their kids.

First off .. you really need to stop making excuses for Dan's behavior. He's a grown man and responsible for his own actions. I totally understand where you're coming from by stating his parents taught him that behavior but it has to stop somewhere and it needs to stop with Dan. Please understand, I'm not coming down on you .. it's just that in my field of work I hear this quite often.
I do hope that in time it all changes for your sake. I can see how passionatley you care for Daphne and how frustrating it is for you that Dan is not as passionate as you are. Again, maybe with your patience and guidance he will "see the light"
I wholeheartedly agree with the advice you have already been given on making out a will or something similar so your wishes will be granted should anything happen to you where you can't make your own decisions.
Good luck,
Paula Rebstad

[HarleyOwner]

In your last post you stated how far Dan has come since you got Daphne and yet your still concerned that if something happens to you that Daphne wont be well taken care of. You flip flopped from your first post to the last one I read. So what is it..is Dan good with the dog and trying to learn more about the breed? Or is he the idiot who leaves his dog tied in the backyard and then wonders why it bites him when he suddenly remembers to feed it?

And if he is the things you name him in your second post then why are you concerned about Daphne if something should happen to you. And why are you gone when your dad finds out if he can keep the house after 3 years. You stated that he is trying to change from all the things his parents have taught him.

There is further underlying issues here other than your dog.

I am sorry about your illness but there isnt something right in your entire personal life as far as I can read. Maybe you should rethink the dog situation completely and find a new perm. home for her..the dog will adjust trust me, at least until you get a few things settled in your own life..ie school, health, place to live, stable influences in your life other than Dan.

Not trying to be harsh cause I know that sometimes typing here when your trying to describe a situation can get frustrating cause there are so many little things you need to add that make a situation tolerable, that as your typing get left out and you could probably type volumes about your current situation but my advice is based on what you chose to put in type for the rest of us to comment on. Not the other stuff we dont know about.

Just my .02 worth.