Disgusting Neighbors

[rott&pitincali]

My neighbors (I have talked about them before, cant stand them!!) have 2 rotties. Male that is about 3, neutered, and so fat you can barrely tell he is a rottie anymore. It is extreemly sad. And a female that is 2 not spayed because they want to "make some good money" off of her someday. They both are outside dogs. Both in a 12x12 pin together. No toys, no blankets, they do have a dog house, and they do feed them. Even though my dogs are all fixed when the neighbors female goes into heat they all go nuts. Almost unbearable. I know this is the best time for training, and training I will do. But I was wondering if anyone here knows of any links that I can print and send to my neighbors that talks about the benifits of getting this poor female fixed. I know it probably wont do any good. But I will feel better in the long run.

Thanks guys,

Stephanie

[Brooke&Ryan]

Well I actually asked this question a couple of days ago regarding my cousin & her female mixed breed. Here is the thread...http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/sho...threadid=30431 I got a lot of great links & have already started printing things out.

:)
Brooke

[Judi W]

It seems to me these people are being fairly responsible by having their male neutered so there are no accidental breedings with the intact bitch. I am sure to their lights, they are treating the dogs decently. If you have open fencing, you might want to enclose it on that side if your dogs become too disorderly.

Since you cannot stand them, I don't think you should start telling them how to manage their dogs as communication will not be based upon any common ground.

[rott&pitincali]

Only reason the male is fix is because they found him that way. It wasn't by choice. They have 3 pugs that they breed the heck out of, I feel so bad for the dogs. Perhaps it is just me, but to have a fat (extremely fat) dog isn't healthy for it. Nor is a 12x12 pen for 2 rotts that are never taken out, excersized, have no toys and no blankets! Sure they feed them and they have 1 dog house, but to me this is irresponsible, if not plain mean. Give them away to someone that will love them. It is just a matter of time before they breed the rott, who isn't papered, never been examed, constantly gets kennel cough, and has not been around people enough to know if she has a stable temperment or not. Isn't that why we educate people? I mean isn't this a time bomb waiting to happen? I have read countless threads where we are telling people not to breed, basically to get a clue, and get their dog fixed. Why not these people? Why are they the exception?

just incase, I do not intend to come off harsh........just asking ;)

Stephanie


Oh ya, thank you Brooke, I will check out those links from your thread. Thank you!!

[Judi W]

I agree it is a time bomb, just that the approach is very difficult. Here we are responding to someone who has asked for opinions even if just by joining the forum. Generally unsolicited opinions are resented rather than listened to, so one needs some sort of relationship first.

[rott&pitincali]

Very true. They however do not know I cant stand them. They think we are all hunky dorey. Only because I believe that you should always be neighborly, and dont want to make it an uncomfortable postition. However, I am ready now, even if it makes things go south. I have never said a thing to them about their dogs, just grimaced. I always thought "what can I do"? But perhaps I would feel better if I were to just say hey want to read this article? Or something on that line.

[Brooke&Ryan]

It's a tricky situation, since this isn't just someone contemplating having a litter. As you've said these people breed the heck out of their pugs. If they were just thinking about having a litter you could go over & after a bit of small talk start saying how you had thought about your dog having a litter also but then realized the cost involved & it was much more than you could handle.

These people just seem in it for the money or something else if they're just pumping out the puppies. It's a tricky situation as Judi said because the advice is not being solicited. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

:)
Brooke

[danyp1]

Originally posted by Brooke&Ryan
If they were just thinking about having a litter you could go over & after a bit of small talk start saying how you had thought about your dog having a litter also but then realized the cost involved & it was much more than you could handle.

I think Brooke had a great idea. If you can somehow convince them that there is no money in it for them like vet costs and food costs for the puppies and the pregnant dog would outweigh the money they are making I think it will make a difference. You would not outright lie.. But as she said just tell them you thought about breeding and checked it out or had a friend who got "burned" like they had to have a c-section and all the puppies but one died... or something like that. If they see it will hurt their pockets it might stop them.
And it would be so much cheaper to get the dog spayed. (cancer treatments.. I doubt these people would care but you could try)

[poohbearsmom]

rott&pit... I agree that a fat dog is not a dog that's cared for properly....

But... the dog is not starving. The dogs have shelter. The dogs have food and water. That is really all the laws in most states require of a dog owner.

Situations like this make a lot of us cringe, but, the dogs' basic needs are being cared for, and, unfortunately, there's likely little you can do about it.

If these folks are on the wave length you say they are, I can't see how they'd really listen to anything you have to say. They have a plan in mind for there dogs and are carrying it out with the pugs already. In all likelihood, your "hunky dorey" situation could take a scary turn for the worse, and if you own your home, this could be a bad thing. No matter how much you despise the choices they make with their dogs, I'd hate to see them cop an attitude with you and start playing games to make your life miserable.

[Grisu]

Originally posted by danyp1
I think Brooke had a great idea. If you can somehow convince them that there is no money in it for them like vet costs and food costs for the puppies and the pregnant dog would outweigh the money they are making I think it will make a difference. You would not outright lie.. But as she said just tell them you thought about breeding and checked it out or had a friend who got "burned" like they had to have a c-section and all the puppies but one died... or something like that. If they see it will hurt their pockets it might stop them.

Stephanie said that they are breeding 3 pugs to death so they are aware of the cost for vets etc. and know that as a mill they can be make damn good money... $400+ per puppy on a rottie... :( times 3-6 pupps.... Unfortunately there is no way that reason will work with these folks.
What may help is to look into the local restrictions on animal keeping. E.G. my neighborhood association prohibits the keeping of more than 2 of any animal. The SPCA may be able to advise you how to go about filing a complaint and get them involved. It is a VERY long shot but I don't think there aren't any other choices.

[LavenderRott]

Look for an article that talks about the statistics of bitches that have health problems because they were not spayed and have had multiple litters. Print/copy it and give it to your neighbor. In a tactful, friendly way of course. Maybe that will help.

[lblax]

to put it bluntly i would assume that any info or talking to you have with these people... will eventually turn around to bite you on the behind...and in the long runmake your life in the neighborhodd difficult.... they are feeding thier dogs providing shelter and not physically abusing them and are keeping them contained so drop it .it really isnt any of your buisness

[chivas]

I dont know if you have any rescue groups or animal control there, but they will sometimes send people out just to check on dogs. You could ask to see if they would ck on the dogs to make sure they are OK. And FYI, at least in Virginia ( and we are not one of the colder states), you HAVE to supply hay, bedding etc in a dog house for an outside dog.
When I was AC - I would talk to people about neutering and when it came from someone who could show the horrors of overbreeding - it very often work plus getting them into a low cost spay/neuter program didnt hurt.
Just a thought.
Kim

[alexav]

I would use the old "assume"....

"Boy, you guys are so smart to have your Rotties fixed. All those tests that you have to have done before breeding a large dog, and then getting stuck with puppies because there are so few buyers due to all the insurance and landlord problems....
Jeepers! My co-worker/friend/cousin/whoever, bred her female Rottie and couldn't even GIVE the pups away. Then the mom got mastitis and they ended up with a TON of vet bills and then the food to feed all those pups! What a MESS those puppies made too! She was ALWAYS cleaning...Holy Cow! She says she's never doing THAT again!"

And/or, "She didn't have the puppies' mom screened for CHD and now 3 of the puppy buyers are SUEING her because their puppies have severe HD. OMG, you are SO smart to have your dogs both fixed. It's so nice to see people being responsible and taking such good care of their dogs."

Then when they argue with you, (which they WILL), just play dumb like you thought she was spayed. Then shrug your shoulders and say, "Well GOOOOD luck!"

All you can do is plant a seed....hopefully it will fall on furtile ground. If not, at least you tried and it looks like you're just trying to be nice....Your good neighbor halo will be intact.
You can always come here and tell us what you really think.;)

[Brooke&Ryan]

Oooh, I like that Alexa! I think that is a great way to go! Let us know if you decide to do it & what happens rottnpittncali!

:)
Brooke