regulated breeding?

[rotts and roses]

This is for breeders. When you start breeding, what county board / if any must you register with? Do you require a license to breed and if so is it regulated as to how many dogs you are allowed to breed?
My questions are because I am looking into finding out if a breeder I came across isn't actually a puppy mill and how to go about finding out if they are doing this breeding ethically and legally or not.
Any help would be appreciated.

[Rott-Wiley]

Unfortunately there is no regulating body to over see the breeding of animals. The only thing a breeder can do is to join a code of ethics club, and/or other clubs. Some state and county laws do cover the sale of live animals and you may want to check there.

[Judi W]

Many communities have ordinances regarding how many animals may be kept under certain zoning areas. Unless that is violated, there are few if any regulations that interfer with an individuals animals except for cruelty statutes.

[rotts and roses]

would one think 19 females and 10 males are too many? if doing back to back breeding? and where would I check to find out the limit?

[Judi W]

Unless zoning prohibits that many animals, it doesn't matter any more than someone breeding their pet. Out in the county there are rarely any regulations except nuisence and sanitation. If they are bunch selling across state lines then the Ag department might become involved.

[Rott-Wiley]

In my county a person can own four dogs per family residence. Anything more then that and you would require a permit to be a licensed kennel. You also can not legally sell an animal without providing a current health certificate signed by a licensed vet and a copy kept on file with the county. Again, in your case, I would suggest you check with your county to see what is required. If they are online, like ours is, you could do a lot of this right over the Internet.

[rotts and roses]

Ok so in my endless hours of research I have found that; No indeed there is no regulation over breeders,
Basically anyone can pay a very small fee to get a kennel permit
and start pumping out dogs
So here is my new question, How can we change this?
What are the first steps to take to raise awareness in your state about kennels that are just breeding for profit and not for the betterment of the breed? Shouldn't there be a law that states if you breed dogs, you must have certified animals with all the necessary health clearances? YES!
Should there be a limit to dogs you can own and breed? YES!
Shouldn't there be HUGE fines and the threat of losing your business if you fail to comply? YES! If I can convince just one person in the state legislature, that they could introduce a simple law with hefty fines to anyone caught breeding with out a
"breeder's license " Nothing would make me happier.

I am so fired up about a "breeder" that is not even in my own state, that I have decided once and for all it's time for me to take action.
I am writing letters to the Governor of Wyoming,The State Representative and any one else I think will make a difference. It might not make a bit of difference, but it surely can't hurt.

[samanthac]

Originally posted by rotts and roses
So here is my new question, How can we change this?

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT BASHING AMERICAN BREEDERS OR DOGS IN THE BELOW STATEMENT.

Now that that is out of the way, the answer is that we can't. Why? The answer is simple...because it will put 90% of breeders out of business. There is no way that people will allow this to happen. So it will go on and on, the BYBs, the puppy mills, the kennel blind breeders.

There is currently a breed warden system in place in Germany that helps to control this. However, to hear Americans talk about it they say its corrupt, its unconstitutional, it doesn't work, Germany is teeny compared to the US so it would be impossible to enforce, they don't health test...blah, blah, blah, basically to hear us speak its the scourge of the earth. I AM NOT saying its perfect, and I am not saying that palms may not get greased here and there, but its there and for the most part it has worked for a VERY long time. I AM NOT saying that every dog that comes out of Germany is perfect, but because of this they have controlled the population, breeding practices and for the most part quality of the dogs being produced. No one can deny the fact that more than a fair share of German kennels have the market cornered on phenotype/genotype. As many of us can attest, we can trace our dogs back to very nice dogs of German descent. But the basic reason that most people don't like the breed warden system is for the simple fact that it would put them out of the breeding business.

Also there are is another reason. Its called the AKC. The AKC in and of itself is a good thing, so I am not bashing it either. But the matter plain and simple is that AKC is a breed registry and they make their money by registering dogs/litters. So, do you really think that they are going to support anything that is going to put tons of breeders out of business and lose them millions of dollars? Um, I don't think so.

So, that's pretty much 'why' in a nutshell.

[nick teifke]

This breed cant even decide one way or the other on tails, you think we could decide on universal breeding standards and send out breed wardens??? LMAO!!!
The breed warden system does not regulate how many dogs come out of your kennel. If Im not mistaken, they only evaluate your litters looking for pups that dont fit the standard, and that the dogs are registerable, etc... Whether you have 15 or 105 dogs should be of no concern to them.

[Judi W]

Amy,
Just remember how you reacted when it was attempted to discourage you from whelping a litter from your bitch. You had no intention of allowing someone to interfer with your plans and no one was able to do so. Well, that same freedom applies to others, not just yourself.

[poohbearsmom]

Originally posted by rotts and roses
YES! If I can convince just one person in the state legislature, that they could introduce a simple law with hefty fines to anyone caught breeding with out a
"breeder's license " Nothing would make me happier.

The problem is... when you instill rules like this... there are ALWAYS going to be people who will find some sinister way to get around them. So, the good people, who have always been ethical, will continue to be... and the evil people will continue to be evil. Sad. True.

[Mary Bouchard]

Most states have a web site and many animal control sites have the codes and laws listed for each county of your state as it varies county to county.

[stevenc]

Originally posted by nick teifke
This breed cant even decide one way or the other on tails, you think we could decide on universal breeding standards and send out breed wardens??? LMAO!!!
The breed warden system does not regulate how many dogs come out of your kennel. If Im not mistaken, they only evaluate your litters looking for pups that dont fit the standard, and that the dogs are registerable, etc... Whether you have 15 or 105 dogs should be of no concern to them.

Yo Nick! Since your not familiar with the breed wardens job I have listed it below. Look at the one sentence that calls for dogs that are misformed to be culled (killed). The germans are more concerned about the betterment of the breed then just the money which is one reason people want there dogs. Then if they do have dogs that are not correct they ship them here (ha ha). Also, the standard has been set for the Rottweiler.

Every local club has a breed warden (Zuchtwart), usually a retired judge or experienced breeder, that is required by the ADRK to be available to the local membership to give advise on all matters concerning breeding, so that any ADRK member with a Rottweiler bitch can become a high quality breeder with his first litter. Local breed wardens report to their regional breed wardens, which in turn report to the ADRK head office's main breed warden.

The duties of the local breed warden also include the visiting of every litter in his district before the puppies are three days old. He must check and report the dams tattoo to the ADRK, make sure that any physically misformed pups are CULLED, check on the bitches condition, living quarters, and whelping area at least 3 more times, and report the litter information to the ADRK registry and any substandard conditions and unregistered litters (wild breeding) to his regional breed warden.

Now if we followed just some of these guidelines maybe we wouldn't have all the problems that we do have. But here everybody wants to make $$$$$$$. The AKC for their breed registrations and litter reg and more importantly the BYB.

We didn't decide anything on tails. Rottweilers standards in this country dictate that Rottweilers must be docked at birth. We are not talking about showing. Tailed dogs may show in both the USRC and ARV venues. They may also show in AKC, but as we all know that the ARC issued a statement basically giving judges the choice, but not giving the judges the choice to put up tailed dogs. Germany is trying to force everyone to have tailed dogs due to a last minute political agenda by some AR people. We have (breeding), yet in some ways have not (showing), dealt with the tail issue...for now OUR recognized standards, AKC and USRC, require Rottweilers to be docked at birth....ADRK and FCI require natural tails.

http://www.usrcweb.org/fcistand.html

I hope this helps you and others understand why we need to organize and monitor breedings. Happy Thanksgiving!

[Judi W]

I would like to add that although the breed warden system has those restrictions, it does not mean that other breedings are not taking place. They are called "black" which means simply that the progeny is not registered with the ADRK. The breed warden system only applies to those dogs registered with the ADRK. Just as in the US where the DNA testing only applies to AKC registered stock, others simply do not register or go to an off registry. There are "off" registries in other countries as well. Those registries are not recognized internationally, however breedings do take place.

[nick teifke]

Originally posted by stevenc
Yo Nick! Since your not familiar with the breed wardens job I have listed it below. Look at the one sentence that calls for dogs that are misformed to be culled (killed). The germans are more concerned about the betterment of the breed then just the money which is one reason people want there dogs. Then if they do have dogs that are not correct they ship them here (ha ha). Also, the standard has been set for the Rottweiler.

You posted the FCI standard, but nothing describing the Breed Wardens job.