AKC registration

[theGR8titus]

Aloha!

Can a dog that has no papers be registered with the AKC?

Thanks,

-Jeff

[lblax]

no

[spidey]

YES! Your dog can get an ILP number from AKC for competing in performance events as long as it's neutered. See here.

[lblax]

Originally posted by spidey
YES! Your dog can get an ILP number from AKC for competing in performance events as long as it's neutered. See here.

i dont believe this is what he is asking even if you get a ilp number they are not registered

[spidey]

They're registered in the sense that they're on record with the AKC and have an individual identifying number, but I see what you're saying Larry. They're certainly not registered as purebred.

Jeff - you can't get your dog registered for breeding purposes if it's not registered already, only for performance. AKC offers ILP for sterilized animals only, in order to do their bit to prevent irresponsible breeding (breeding dogs without papers is almost always irresponsible, not least because there's usually no officially reliable record of parentage so you have no proof that the dog is purebred).

[theGR8titus]

Sooo, no then.

I got him with no papers for $400.

People ask "does he have papers"?

I say "no" he doesnt.

Can I get these papers they are talking about?

It seems to be pretty important to others inquiring about Titus'.

It really doesnt matter to me too much. I love him for who he is, and dont plan on entering the young lad into any shows or professionally breeding him.

Just for peace of mind, and so Titus and I dont feel belittled by other dog owners with papers.

Thanks agian,

-Jeff
I have uploaded a picture of Titus on my website at:
http://www.protouchhawaii.com/page/page/787217.htm

[spidey]

All papers tell you is that a breeder filled in some paperwork and ostensibly bred two registered purebred dogs together, it tells you exactly NOTHING about the quality of the dog. People who think that papers automatically mean that a dog is good quality have no idea what they're talking about (what people think about papers is an easy quick test to tell if you should listen to this person's advice about anything dog-related). Papers are just a registration, they can be proof that a dog is purebred, but "purebred" doesn't mean "good example of the breed", it just means "purebred". AKC registration doesn't involve quality, it's just a record, like your birth certificate.

Every weekend people sit on a hill outside a shopping mall near my house selling "AKC registered purebred puppies", and I guarantee you that these are anything BUT well-bred, good examples of their breeds. All they are is registered.

By the way, anyone who sells you a "purebred" dog and makes a big deal about the papers (either having them or not having them), you should run the other way. An ethical breeder will always register their litters and will always give you the papers (they have to - they'll probably suggest limited registration, as regards breeding, but they cannot refuse to give you the registration papers), and an ethical breeder does not charge extra for papers (again, there may be a price difference for TYPE of registration, but not for registration itself).

Titus is cute! :)

(and by the way, there's no such thing as a "professional breeder", anyone who does it as their main source of income is a puppy miller)

[macho rottie]

It really doesnt matter to me too much. I love him for who he is, and dont plan on entering the young lad into any shows or professionally breeding him.

What does 'professional' breeding mean? Does this mean you are neutering him at 6 months of age?

[Carina43]

Anyone who uses the term "does he have papers" is de facto ignorant about the whole registration process in general, and ignorant about dogs in general.

I would ignore this question and neuter your dog.

And yes - Titus is very cute! I don't think his snout is too long at all. :)

[theGR8titus]

Ahh, now I get it. Good reply Spidy, and Titus thanks you for the compliment. Now I can intelligently defend myself on the subject if it should arise agian.

As for the "professional breeders" thing. I dont know, I just figured there was such a thing. But now I know differently. Thanks to this forum.

Puppy Millers. thats a good one. 101 rottweilers.

-Jeff

[LavenderRott]

It really doesnt matter to me too much. I love him for who he is, and dont plan on entering the young lad into any shows or professionally breeding him

A professional breeder is someone who does years of homework before breeding two top quality animals that meet all of the health and conformation requirements of the breed.

I just checked, there are 2,671 rottweilers looking for homes on Petfinder tonight. These are animals that were bred by people who had nice dogs with "papers". Or dogs that were tied up in the back yard.

[theGR8titus]

Hey Sandi,

Thanks for the link to petfinder.com. I never knew about that site. This is where we will get our next rottie in 6-8 months. Thank you.

You wouldnt happen to know anything about shipping a dog would you?

Thanks,

-Jeff

[macho rottie]

Why would you set yourself up for the heartbreak of a ill bred, dysplastic, bad temperment, or sick dog? :( Go and take a look at all the beautifull rotties sitting in the shelters and rescue one of them before giving your money to one of those BYB's.

[moondog]

Hi Jeff,

When it comes to breeding, we're a passionate bunch, and there's good reason for our passion. Read the thread I've linked and hopefully you'll understand why we feel the way we do and why "101 Rottweilers" isn't as cute as it sounds.

http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/sho...threadid=29216

[Judi W]

If you want to see the tragic things that occur when a breeding takes place where little or nothing is known about the families of the dogs that are being bred, review some of Rotts and Roses posts. She will be the first (because she is honest about it at this point) to tell you it was a horrible mistake. This is before even a year has passed for these poor pups and the momma is showing crippling orthopedic problems now as well.

People who are getting pups are entitled to a healthy dog that can live a normal life. Those dogs do not just happen along, but are produced by careful and diligent breeders who know all there is to know about the families of the dogs involved, their appearance and health status for all their siblings and their parents, grandparents and great grandparents.

Also, if you want a dog that looks like the pictures - you'd best acquire it from parents who "look like the pictures".

Love your dog, train your dog and hope that he turns out to be healthy. I say hope because that is all you can do at this point. Don't pass on the favor of poor breeding.