Parent Club??

[Mattweiser]

here is a question to everyone:

What club do you consider to be the National Rottweiler Specialty Club??

[Judi W]

Well, not to be picky, however, AKC is the only registry that has cross privileges with the ADRK or any other FCI or other nations' registries. The American Rottweiler Club is the parent club with the AKC and controls the standard................. ergo - not from a "what do you consider" but from a legal and technical standpoint, you can consider all you want............ but

[Mattweiser]

well, here is what I "consider" ;)

the USRC is the only club that can hold its own SchH trials, and their scorebooks are accepted by the ADRK.

The AKC is not a member of the FCI, only has an "agreement".. hopefully the AWDF will get their full membership (of which the USRC is a member)

the ARC does one thing that I can tell, they give the AKC a breed standard... that's about all I can see that they do. Am I missing something?

and further, to blindly accept the AKC as the governing body of all things doggie in the US is more than a bit frightening to me!!!

Just because the ARC is the AKC arm of Rottweilers, does not (in my book) make them the National Club for Rottweilers.

[Judi W]

Nope, not of all things doggy and you know better than to fling that one at me. I was responding to your comment about "parent club" which is a very specific term. If you are talking about performance that is an entirely different story but that is not what you used to request a definition. It is BTW, not just the standard, but the registry. Form or function without historical validity would leave one without a breeding program regardless of what attributes you were using for selection.

BTW, the scorebooks are recongized but the "registry" certainly is not.

[Judi W]

Wow, how cool!!!! We hardly ever disagree (not sure we are not other than defining terms.............) but it is exciting

[nick teifke]

IMO, the ARC is and will always be the National Rott Club in this country. To think the USRC would ever hold that title is almost laughable! The USRC is a good club at its core, but it could never grow to the size of the ARC. It doesnt even have enough people for how big it is now!
IMO, its not us vs. them. The two are seperate clubs with seperate goals and interests. As Rottweiler owners, we should still work side by side. But Im siding with Judy on this one, even being the fan of the USRC I am :)

[Mattweiser]

Originally posted by nick teifke
To think the USRC would ever hold that title is almost laughable! The USRC is a good club at its core, but it could never grow to the size of the ARC. It doesnt even have enough people for how big it is now!

Of course it will never be as big.. the sheer numbers of the AKC is what has allowed it to run rough-shod over the canine interests of the US..

as I mentioned above, I truley hope that the AWDF gets its bid into the FCI, big changes will happen!! all for the better, IMO...

[nick teifke]

I dont think the AWDF will ever become the one recognized registry over the AKC. The AKC is too big and powerful.

[Mattweiser]

nick,

all I can say is that I sincerely hope that you are wrong.

:)

[nick teifke]

Are you a USRC or AWDF member?

[BostonRott]

Originally posted by Mattweiser
well, here is what I "consider" ;)

the USRC is the only club that can hold its own SchH trials, and their scorebooks are accepted by the ADRK.

Wrong. ADRK no longer accepts USRC scores, or USA scores, and hasn't since about 2000. USRC is no more than a hobby club. No one else accepts their titles, except for the SchH titles, but even those are no good for USA breed tests, so therefore, fairly useless. At least here in New England, it's mostly a USA area, and most people like to put a KKL on their GSDs........USRC SchH titles are useless to them.

The AKC is not a member of the FCI, only has an "agreement".. hopefully the AWDF will get their full membership (of which the USRC is a member)

USRC will never get FCI membership and AWDF is dead in the water. They had to cancel a major event last year (can't even remember which one.....it was that important). FCI only recognizes one registry per country, and AKC is it. Now that AKC is bringing out their Working Dog sport and going to acknowledge ScHH titles, I see little use for the hobby clubs.......as AKC has full availability of ADRK judges, and they have held several specialties in "German style."

Just because the ARC is the AKC arm of Rottweilers, does not (in my book) make them the National Club for Rottweilers.

If you think USRC is so much better, why not look at their membership which is half of what it used to be, clubs are disappearing left and right, rules are forced down people's throats and then not followed (i.e. tail docking of litters), 19mos old dogs are bred together and the puppies registered with a Breeder Kennel name (Breeder Registry requirements ), a member who moons a visiting, respected ADRK judge at the SchH Natls during his critique and is not even verbally reprimanded.........are membership number self-explanatory??

Sorry, but such a club ain't my idea of a National club either. Too bad the ideals are so nice, the implementation is piss poor.

[Mattweiser]

Originally posted by BostonRott


Wrong. ADRK no longer accepts USRC scores, or USA scores, and hasn't since about 2000. [/b]

Wow... I didn't know that! :( SHows how little I have been paying attention to the Rottweiler world lately...

Originally posted by BostonRott
USRC will never get FCI membership and AWDF is dead in the water. They had to cancel a major event last year (can't even remember which one.....it was that important).

I never meant that USRC would get FCI membership on their own, I was going at the fact that if AWDF gets in, all the under-clubs would get in by association. I really hope AWDF is not DIW, to me, it is the only real hope of America ever becoming legitimate in the working dog world.. otherwise we will be forever relegated to use other countries registries and scorebooks... :(

Originally posted by BostonRott FCI only recognizes one registry per country, and AKC is it.

Well, kinda... AKC has never gained full membership, and I guess that is what the rest of us are hoping against.. ;)

Originally posted by BostonRott Now that AKC is bringing out their Working Dog sport and going to acknowledge ScHH titles, I see little use for the hobby clubs.......as AKC has full availability of ADRK judges, and they have held several specialties in "German style."

I won't even go into my beef with the AKC getting into the working arena.....
Damn Gretchen, you sure put a big cloud over my day!! ;)

[nick teifke]

Originally posted by Mattweiser

I never meant that USRC would get FCI membership on their own, I was going at the fact that if AWDF gets in, all the under-clubs would get in by association. I really hope AWDF is not DIW, to me, it is the only real hope of America ever becoming legitimate in the working dog world.. otherwise we will be forever relegated to use other countries registries and scorebooks... :(

And what benefit does this international legitimacy hold for the average SchH competitor/Rottweiler enthusiast? If Im not lucky enough to be one of the half dozen or so people who get to travel out of the US to compete, why should I care that the FCI or ADRK doesnt recognize my titles? I recognize them, the people buying my dogs recognize them, my club members recognize them, what else do I want?
Personally, I could care less about the FCI and I could care less about the ADRK. I have everything I need right here in the US :)

[nick teifke]

Originally posted by BostonRott

If you think USRC is so much better, why not look at their membership which is half of what it used to be, clubs are disappearing left and right, rules are forced down people's throats and then not followed (i.e. tail docking of litters), 19mos old dogs are bred together and the puppies registered with a Breeder Kennel name (Breeder Registry requirements ), a member who moons a visiting, respected ADRK judge at the SchH Natls during his critique and is not even verbally reprimanded.........are membership number self-explanatory??

Sure, the USRC has its problems, but its not ALL bad :) For example, the NC region had 2 clubs when I joined USRC. Now we have 4 full member and 2 possibly forming. The magazine is back on track. We actually have 2 of our own judges. We still have around 30 clubs, and have expanded into Canada and even to Bermuda!
So IMO, the glass is either half full or half empty, depending on how you look at it. I dont think the majority of members really care about one bad breeder, or some jerk who gets under everyones skin. The vast majority of events go off without a hitch.

[BostonRott]

Originally posted by nick teifke
I dont think the majority of members really care about one bad breeder, or some jerk who gets under everyones skin. The vast majority of events go off without a hitch.

And that is the sad part of it. They DON'T care. More than one stunt has been pulled, most recently involving the stopping of a Breed test, and both the Judge and the RD being berrated. But no one cares, those in attendance won't file charges. Where is the pride in this club? What happened to sportsmanship? Or we're just supposed to let it all slide b/c he's the President's buddy and "just a bad apple." Ahhhh.....integrity.

While the members may not care, the non-members certainly take notice and absolutely decide where to spend their $$, and it's not with USRC. If numbers were so strong, dues wouldn't have just doubled. For the new clubs in your area, how about the complete lack of clubs now in another area. How about the fact that 5 clubs, all with board members, got their yearly event requirement waved. Why was that? Because people are clamoring for USRC events???

As to "who cares" if ADRK recognizes titles? Those of us with ADRK imports do. I can no longer submit Froli's titles to ADRK for inclusion in their books, unless they are DVG titles. For those who study genetics and production, such recognition does matter.