Why people buy from "BYB"

[brianbat420]

I dont really know how to start off this thread without offending anyone so I will just start it like this;

For all of you breeders How much do you charge for a puppy and why.

And people who have bought from reputable breeders how much did you pay for your pup. And BYB buyers how much did you pay.

I will explaine when I get some responses.

[frontierrots]

My buyers are carefully screened and must supply references. I charge $700 for pets (that must be spayed/neutered) and rebate $100 for OFA hip results and $100 for cardiologist heart screening. I keep in contact the dog's whole life and that contact is in the contract as a must as are other basic care, training and selling issues

People buy from a BYB because

A) they are not questioned/screened/need references

B) they have pups when the people want to buy them

C)they can buy a pup and never hear from the breeder again, there is usually no contract so they can do what they want with the dog.. breed it, sell it etc

Basically those who buy from a BYB want to buy a dog just like they buy any other piece of belonging- car, stereo etc.. They don't want to prove they are right for the dogand swear to care for it properly

[Luvs]

I also think that people buy from a BYB because of ignorance. They don't take the time to research, so they don't know any better. Alot of people think that AKC = quality, so if the dog has papers it is a good dog.

[Judi W]

But, they sure find the places to research when things go sour. They would spend more time learning about which TV, car or computer to buy than they do about their dog, which is likely going to be with them much longer.

[JD102175]

Misha came from a BYB, and I'm pretty sure Brodie probably did too. I got Misha 13 years ago. I had no idea then that buying a dog from an ad in the paper was not the best place, nor did my parents. She was $150 . I saved up my allowance and paid for half and my parents gave me the rest of the money for her. She has no papers because the mother didn't have any. The breeding was accidental, it was her first heat and they didn't take the proper precautions.


Jaime

[Birdie'sMom]

I got Birdie from a horrible cross between a BYB and a pet store. I had a friend who had bought a puppy from this guy 3 years earlier and her dog was great. So, I thought that I would get a great dog - which I did, but a great dog with hip dysplasia, which I had never even heard of before. I payed $750. That's a lot of money for no guarantees and no help from the breeder! A month after I got her I found this website. Thankfully I found this place BEFORE I had any problems and was able to start off on the right foot and end up with a wonderful dog. After learning a lot on this website I discovered my mistake and will never repeat it! I don't think I'll ever get a puppy from any breeder at all - I would like to resuce next time!
BYB's and pet stores sell to ANYONE at ANY time. I went in to the store for the first time and walked out an hour later with a puppy. I guess they really didn't care what kind of owner was getting her. They just wanted my money.

[Judi W]

And some dogs are just plain darn lucky! The thing is, a family or individual is deserving of a dog that can play ball, go for walks, and live a normal life, and sadly, that is too often not the case when one ignores the importance of inheritance. We all of us love the dogs we have, but how much happier for all (this includes the dogs) if they are healthy and of sound character. Giving money to a pet store or BYB keeps them in business and encourages them to make more pups.

[C Ross]

Hhmm, well, I've never bought a dog from a byb, but I've had my share of dogs bred by amateurs.

My first gsd was bred by a neighbor ("Know anyone that wants a German Shepherd puppy?" "Why sure, Teresa, I'll take one of your puppies.") I asked her to keep the puppy an extra two weeks by which time he needed another set of shots. I paid for that vet visit. That was the only money that changed hands. The puppies had some kind of immune system developmental delay, and 7 of the 10 pups were dead by 10 months old (mine included) when a parvo outbreak hit the area. The two vets in town realized they had a problem when vaccinated puppies were dying right and left. They revaccinated the remaining three who survived.

I got lucky with my second gsd. I answered an ad in the newspaper. Gazi's breeder competed in Schutzhund, and Gaz just didn't have the drive for it. All of her buyers wanted Schutzhund dogs, so what to do with this pup? He was a wonderful companion and went to the Bridge at 12 years old after suffering a stroke. I paid the blue light special price of $275 in 1989. My only dog that came from a reputable breeder.

My lab Baloo is from an oops litter. Some guy didn't do a very good job keeping his bitch locked up and one of his males got to her. My husband brought him home as a companion for Gazi. He was a free dog. He also has mild HD, and chronic skin/allergy problems. I've spent a small fortune on veterinary care for this animal, but he's still with us at 11+ years old.

And you've all heard my story on acquiring my rott pup. Neighbors got him on an impulse and had him about two weeks before they decided they were getting divorced and neither one wanted the dog. My husband intercepted them on the way to the convenience store. They were going to give him to a store clerk they met that afternoon and knew nothing about. We just couldn't let that happen.

I would love to acquire a pup from a breeder like frontierrots. Screen me! Question me! Ask for references! Do a PAT and pick a puppy for me! The plan was to wait for Baloo to go to the Bridge and do just that, but then my rottie Kudlow was placed in my path. Fate? Fortune? Providence? Luck (good or bad :) )? I don't know, but Kudlow is in my home until the end of his days.

Christine

[Burnsway]

I bought Angel from a lady that was a vet tech for 15 years. Her daughter was my best friend and I was living in their home for 4 years and was 17. being young and not knowing what I know now, I did know dog behaviour well but that was about it. She bred her highly aggressive Red Chow female every other cycle and her Mild mannered White American Eskimo everyother cycle. The stud for both was her Mild mannered but hyper Male White eskimo.

Her reasoning was that the females needed a break but she couldnt break from the income so she bred the Chow inbetween while the female White Eskimoe took her breaks. I was told the whites never had papers because White eskimoes were not recognised by AKC then. When she through a black she was going to let Angel die because of color and illness. I freaked. She said if I could keep her alive she was mine for 50 bucks. I took on that challenge.

So Angel was bought straight out of ignorance. I was young and thought a vet tech would know what she was doing.......

Angel died just short of her 18th birthday and never had seriouse health issues but Im very lucky we managed her temperament ,It was not the best in unknown situations.

Nicki and smokey my Pomeranians, One pure bred and one not but Both AKC registered were bought for me by family members. Again ignorance but sweet thoughts behind the gifts. Nicki is still with us at 14. Both cost 600 each..... remember that was 15 years ago. A lot of money for mutts.....:D Nicki is a weaknerved spaz but we love her....LOL! Smokey was a very stable In my opinion, Pomeranian and we were actaully going to try the show thing with him but he never dropped his other ball....LOL!

Psyche was given to us, not as a gift, not even because we were looking, Because I saw her, the situation she was in and I wanted her, asked for her and left with her. Her owner is the type that somewhat cares for his dogs but holds the old dogs are dogs and they have sex...... He wanted a pup with the lines that Grandma and Ma had. I "think" he paid a Grand for the Grandma, AKC papered purebred but I'm not for sure on the price. He later dumped the 2 dogs he kept from the litter. He has had 4 mixed litters not Rott since......:( I even offered to take the dogs in and pay myself to have them all fixed. It was a no go. He use to breed AKC registered dobermans and as far as I know he charged 600 a pup. Again not positive on that. Just trying to remember from conversations we have had.

I think most people buy from BYB's just because they don't know better or know about the problems out there. I do know that most reputable breeders I have met make little if any money.

[Judy Chrusch]

I don't get it when people say they can't afford a pup from a reputable breeder but don't think twice about buying one from a petstore with a charge card . I have seen rottie pups and others go for $1,000 , now that's a crime!

As for BYB, I fell into that when I was young and stupid, I'd like to think I matured since then, now having a sound, well bred rottie. Though there can be sickness in whether they come from a BYB or a reputable breeder you still have a better chance with one that's been carefully selected to breed in the first place. Are there bad so called reputable breeders, of course but overall it's a shame that there are so many brought into this world that end up in a shelter or worse simply bc people just don't care:( .

I've had 3 rotties and though my first was from a BYB he was by far the best one, not looking, but his temperment was fantastic and I contribute that to luck, plain and simple.

If I ever get another one it will be a rescue or from a reputable breeder, no questions asked and if you go with a reputable breeder be prepared to be asked lots of questions and if you're truly in it for the right reasons you won't mind the questions one bit:D .

I hope if you're thinking of getting a rottie or any dog that you carefully select a breeder as they will you:D . Best of luck to you.


Judy

[Sharon Marples]

All of our puppies are sold on a contract basis. Health guarantees come with pet quality or show potential pups. Pet companion puppies are required to be spayed or neutered and show potential puppies are required to have health certifications and earn certain titles prior to being bred (unless agreed to in writing by both parties). Our pets are $750, show potential pups are $1500. We health certify all of our breeding stock and do as much as possible to produce sound, healthy puppies. I guess the proof of our pudding is that we are still here after being involved in this breed for over 18 years. I was fortunate that when we started out, we had excellent mentors who led us down the right road right from the start. We've never strayed from that path.

We stand behind our puppies and have many, many puppy clients to give as references. We stay in contact throughout the life of the dog and are happy to say that we have clients that have purchased 2-3 dogs from us at different times. Once they are comfortable with us and how we run our program, they just don't want to go anywhere else to get their next pup.

I agree, people buy from BYB because they are everywhere, their pups are cheap and they talk a good story. Unfortunately, their stories are not backed up with support and guarantees.

[godfreyc]

Where you buy from aside for a minute, I'm a private person. I don't do alot of socializing. The only people I've been involved in my whole life are family and my only long term attachment to anyone is my SO (8yrs.) I'm sorry, but I don't really want to be "involved" with anyone, even the nicest breeder, for the life of my dog.

[sophie's-mom]

Originally posted by godfreyc
I'm sorry, but I don't really want to be "involved" with anyone, even the nicest breeder, for the life of my dog.

No offense, but you would rather go to a message board and speak with people you don't know, that have no major interest or time invested in you or your dog and ask their advice more so than you would a person that is familiar with you, your living conditions, your dog and your dog's lines just so you won't have to be "involved"? And that justifies a purchase from a back yard breeder?



Reputable breeders aren't going to knock on your door every time a show is in town and ask if you can put them up.

[godfreyc]

sophies-mom don't get your tail over the rope :D I don't really come here because I think it's the only place to get answers about the behavior of my dogs, I could easily read to get the information I wanted or go to ob classes etc. I come here because it's nice to talk to people who love this breed as much as I do. And I'm not talking about where I get my dogs, I'd gladly answer any questions, go through a back ground check, provide references, etc. My point was that I feel, as do many people that a commitment to keep an open line with a breeder for the life of a dog is not for me. Just as I wouldn't sign a contract agreeing to a specific diet or some other thing that should be my decision to make, I wouldn't sign a contract offering to either make myself or my dog available to the breeder for what will hopefully be at least the next 15 years. Also, don't misunderstand I never interpreted being involved in the life of the dog to mean that the breeder would want to stay in my home when needing a place to sleep.

[Karyn]

When you want a car you go to a car store; when you want candy, you go to a candy store; when you want a pet, you go to a pet store. Makes sense! Unfortunately - those of us who were not reared in the animal world really don't know about BYB, puppy mills or reputable breeders. I had never heard of or would know what a BYB was when I got my GSD. I went to a pet store and picked out a GSD. She was 3 months old. At 4 months she was having problems getting up, I took her to be x-rayed and she had no hip sockets - her femurs are held in place by muscle. The pet store offered to take her back and refund my money. When I asked what they would do with Neemo I didn't like the answer so I kept her. I had a crash course in BYBs and puppy mills. Neemo has had gastrointestinal problems, eye problems, hip problems. She is 8 years old and still going - she has cost me a bunch. Then came Cromwell - shelter - AKC papers etc. I tried to contact his breeder - no listing (BYB probably) - he turned out to be a dream after a pretty rough start. He too is 8 years old. Daisy beagle - parents were AKC - champion hunting dogs - Daisy is not a hunting dog by any stretch of the imagination. She just doesn't have it. She was sold as a pet. I got her when her owners grew tired of her and were going to dump her at the pound. She was so tiny and so cute I could not let them abandon her. So I only have one dog that was properly bred - and she is a pistol. So the answer is that we do not go looking for BYBs or puppy mills, we just don't know where to go and take the logical path - which is the wrong path - which is right in front of us - pet store or friend of a friend whose dog had puppies.