Upset about no hip guarantee!

[Nikkirott]

Hi
Im a new member to this group. A year ago i bought a puppy from a breeder here in florida (brooksville) paid $850 for my puppy and she was bought as breeding quality. Back then i was clueless about contracts and hip guarantee's. I assumed and the breeder said she came with one. Well now looking at the contract. My dog has no guarantee for anything. I took her in for her prelims and her xrays came back Fair to mild hip dysplasia ( per the vet) I called the breeder and he told me oh well. I got copies of the parents OFA papers but now when i try to look up the fathers OFa on the website hes not coming up as OFA'd. I think the breeder forged this paper, now i know the father is not OFA'd and is not with the breeder anymore due to what ive heard that he couldnt get his hips to pass. Im am outraged. A breeder thats been breeding 20 years and showing does this to me. I now have a dog that ive put a years worth of training and a few titles in that may come out with hip dysplasia when i take her in at 2 years old and the breeder doesnt care. He said if i wanted a dog with hip guarantee;s to pay him $2500 and he'd guarantee hips. that is outragous. Is there anything i can do here, please help someone!

[TrishB]

If you still have the copies of the fake OFA certifications, you can have them charged. I'm sure that Florida has some very tough laws (from what I've read here) about misrepresentation. Keep them close to your heart. NEVER let them go. Photocopy them, but never let the originals out of your hands.

You can also report them to any breed clubs they are registered to - this will have them kicked out. Also report them to the AKC.

Please don't get me wrong here. What they've done wrong is misrepresented Certified Hips. NOT the lack of a guarantee. That, sad to say, was your own mistake in not reading the guarantee or requiring it. :( But the misrepresentation IS against the law and you should follow up on it.

[Nikkirott]

thanks.... When i bought my puppy i didnt know anything about hip guarantee's thats why not seeing it in the contract didnt alarm me. but now i know and wish i had known then. I dint know if he is a member of any clubs, but i will find out. The bad thing is this is not the only thing he has done, now he is breeding a male that was OFA'd by bringing a different dog in. The past breeder that had him who is the president of a major club here, took him to the vet twice and his hips wouldnt pass, now at 5 years old he is mysteriously ofa'd good now. I was outraged when i found this out which is why it doesnt surprise me that it has happened before. This breeder is just bad news all together. Please be careful in brooksville (check out the breeder first) i cant list the kennel name in here but i can email it to people. I will do what you said about the fake ofa papers, i only have a copy which was supposibly a copy of the origionals, i guess its possible he could whiteout the name and put someone else in there. thanks

[Judi W]

I would urge you to send in a copy to the OFA. Trust me, they have a very strong interest in this type of thing.

[lblax]

Originally posted by Nikkirott
thanks.... When i bought my puppy i didnt know anything about hip guarantee's thats why not seeing it in the contract didnt alarm me. but now i know and wish i had known then. I will do what you said about the fake ofa papers, i only have a copy which was supposibly a copy of the origionals, i guess its possible he could whiteout the name and put someone else in there. thanks

1st off i truly feel sorry for you and your dog but----------------
1. you bought your pup without a gauantee you werent lied to it just isnt in the contract which you didnt have to agree to, and you could have bought else where......
2. your vet may very well be wrong depending on how many prelimbs he has done and so on.......
3. as far as the fake ofa papers go----- just because you punched in the numbers on there website and it didnt show does not mean they are fake there data base on the website is inconclusive.... you need to talk to the ofa personally by phone....
also usually if someone fakes something like this they would usually only show you the papers not give you a easily checked on copy, that if proved fake would have seriaus ramifications for them........
4. having ofa'd parents doesnt guarrentee that your pup will not be born without hip problems you must resurch ancestry as far as possible to get the best pup you can........good dogs can throw bad pups and bad dogs can throw excellant pups thats just the way it is....

i truly hope the breeder has a change of heart and helps you out some although i dont believe you posted what you expect from the breeder-new pup?? refund?? help with medical?? but the bottom line here is you bought the pup without doing enough checking and you bought it with a contract that did not guarrentee the hips and we cannot work through hindsight here

[Nikkirott]

Well larry,
Not everyone knows about hip guarantees when they are buying a dog. My vet has been a vet for 20 years and i trust her opinion more than any other vet. I call OFA on the papers and with the fathers name there is no OFA. I know that even dogs with good hips can throw bad pups, but now i know its because the father had bad hips (Found out from the vet that tried to OFa him) mild to moderate hip dysplasia, plus the fact that the dog bit a judge at a show. I would like a refund from the breeder or something instead of getting the cold shoulder and him saying tough. what if my dog gets worse and i have to put her down, then i just threw away $850. Not everyone is educated about hips in this world, i wish they were but they arnt. If this breeder would help out a little, partial refund, something i wouldnt feel like i wasted all this money and time. I love the dog and would never give her up.
I have no idea why he would give me a copy of something hr faked, stupid i guess, or maybe he thought no one would actually check it out. I dont know what hes thinking.

[Carol Burke]

I tried to PM you but I guess you cannot receive private messages yet. If you would please e-mail me I would appreciate it. My e-mail is shown on my profile.

[Nikkirott]

Carol
what messengers do you have? I have yahoo and i have aol, im using someone computer now, mine crashed!

[Carol Burke]

Sorry I don't have either one. If you go to my website you can get my e-mail. Start with WWW at the bottom of this post.

[kampfknuddler]

Dear Nikkirott,
I'm sorry, but you can't get any guarantee against a displasia. If mom and dad have no displasia you cannot be sure that your pup has none too. That's life.
But you paid too much for your dog. Forget about, love your dog and train him. The next time you will be prepared.

If the breeder is in a club, tell all clubs his name and he will be cut.
Thats no joke to breed a dog without any qualification.

In fact, you will see your dogs faults not in puppy age but with 2 years and that is too late for anything.
Georg

[Judi W]

All of the clubs I am aware of require that the person bringing charges be a member, not just the accused.

If you have copies of false OFA certificates, they should be sent in to the OFA who have a very strong interest in the integrity of their reports. Also you should inform them of the dog suspected of having a substitute.

[laurlitt]

It certainly is a bad thing if the breeder faked an OFA... At first I thought the same thing about my dog's dam b/c when I looked her up on the website she did not come up. After more searching I realized that a spelling mistake had happened w/ her name... Perhaps something like this has happened to you...

[BostonRott]

Originally posted by kampfknuddler
Dear Nikkirott,
I'm sorry, but you can't get any guarantee against a displasia. If mom and dad have no displasia you cannot be sure that your pup has none too. That's life.
But you paid too much for your dog. Forget about, love your dog and train him. The next time you will be prepared.

If the breeder is in a club, tell all clubs his name and he will be cut.
Thats no joke to breed a dog without any qualification.

In fact, you will see your dogs faults not in puppy age but with 2 years and that is too late for anything.
Georg

Tag Georg!

I agree with you completely, genetics are a game of chance. However, here in the US, it is customary for the breeders (or those considered ethical) to stand behind their breeding stock and offer compensation if a puppy comes up with hip or elbow dysplasia. This can be in the form of $$ returned, or a new puppy in the future.

Just a friendly piece of information. :)

Tschuss! :D

[Nikkirott]

I thought that even thought there was no written guarantee that he would give me some kind of compensation but his exact words were tough crap! I was mortified to hear that. I sent the OFA copy into OFA. I thought buying from a breeder of 20 years and someone who actively shows in seiger shows would be a safe person to buy from.. i guess not!!! I dont know who to trust now when i go buy another pup!

[spidey]

I dont know who to trust now when i go buy another pup!

Well, for starters, don't buy a dog without a written guarantee. Don't buy a dog without doing your research into the breeder. Read the code of ethics, and check to see if the breeder follows it (start by checking to see if the breeder is on the breeder's list maintained by the national club).

Most people don't buy a car without at least checking the safety and maintenance records, a dog deserves at least that much effort.