What Lines?

[Mattweiser]

OK,

for the sake of discussion (cuz I am bored to tears):

If you were looking for a new Rottweiler pup, what lines would you look to? What dogs/bitch do you want to see in it's ped? How many times?

or, would you simply return to a previous breeder?

Oh, guess I explain what I want from the dog! :)

I want a strong, uncompromising male. Must have strong working drives. I am not looking for the next Seiger, but I do not want a mutant Rott either ;) ... As far as size, I like them on the more "athletic" side... I am not looking for anything over 100lbs, but if he happened to get there, I wouldn't cry... I want very sound structure, one that could handle a career of clearing palisades...

well, what would you do??

lets assume money and region are not issues.

-Matt

[sophie's-mom]

It would more depend on what specific dogs were PRODUCING as opposed the what THAT dog did.

I am passively looking for a working/show bitch. I have seen several dogs that I like, but wouldn't necessarily want one of their puppies.

I like Odo vom Fleischer, I don't like Orla, I like Odo's father, I don't like his mother.

I guess I've helped none.

I wouldn't want a pup from a breeding JUST because it was XXX and YYY together and their ancestors in the pedigree.

I've seen some of Umbro's offspring and I wouldn't want one of some of them either. Could be from the mother's side, not sure.

But some of the really nice dogs out there now are being matched with bitches that, in my opinion, I would not let MY dog mate with.

Diffent thread entirely (and maybe I'll start it later) but Mattweiser, in your opinion, do you think some of the nicer studs and bitches out there may be being OVERbred?

[Rottlva]

Matt, I deffinitely lack knowledge in this fashion, but I will tell you how I am going about looking for what I feel are good lines.

I've been attending quite a few dog shows and performance events. I watch all of the rottweiler classes, rotties preforming. Generally they will give you the dogs name, and breeder along with any titles they have. I bring along a trusty highlighter, a pen and write notes on each dog, what I like about them, what I don't, I may even chat with a handler. Then I go home and go online and look up these dog's lineage. You most definitely will find common ancestors.

I have such a long way to go before I fully understand good lineage, but this is the best way I feel I can become more familiarized with breeders, thier stock and performance abilities.

All the best! ( Are you still overseas??)

[BostonRott]

Personally, when looking for a good performance Rott, I look to the European lines. They are more frequently tested and proven to work (or NOT work) than the US lines tend to be.

I enjoy:

A vom Hertener Wappen
B vom Hertener Wappen (repeat of A)
P vom Hegestrauch (offspring of Arri v Hertener Wappen)
Aki von der Peeler Hutte
Austrian Military Kennel

I look at pedigree, both in depth and in bredth, with strong emphasis on health and temperament (how will a dog work w/out these??). I want to see photos of the ancestors, and also look at score trends (how old, which judges, which clubs, scores across three phases). I also look to breed tests, and the performance ratings.

[Mattweiser]

Sophie's Mom,

I agree that current production is just as important as titles.. if a dog/bitch can't throw its genes, it's titles are useless!!!... so what about those those that are producing well?? what do you see in them, good and bad???

Rottlva,

so tell me what you are seeing... that is what I was asking!! :)
and yes, I am still over here

BostonRott,

thanks.. what do you like about these breedings?? what do they lack (every dog lacks something) if you were breeding one of thes litters, what would you breed it back to??

thanks guys....
-Matt

[BostonRott]

B litter throws more bone than A litter. A litter and Aki tend to lack in substance and stop.

I bred my Pascha grand-dau (Arri great-grand) to an Arri-Aki grandson. Got medium bone and heads, high drives, with very compact bodies, as expected.

2nd breeding was to the Austrian Military kennel bloodlines, looking to increase head/bone, maintain drive and have nice solid nerve. So far, all is well.

I have a 9mos old bitch who is also of the Austrian Military kennel bloodlines, and also a Fax daughter. Nice bone, good head, gorgeous red color, super solid nerves and high drives. She had to go on an adult sleeve at 7mos b/c she was biting through the puppy sleeve and drawing blood. :D

If I had kept something from the A litter, I would have looked for a stud that was very dominant for head/bone, but not an overdone head, so as not to mismatch types completely (and possibly screw up dentition/bite). A medium drive boy would have been fine, as I know that litter was 3-4 on Arri and also with Aki, very solid for working drive.

My 9mos old has an intended stud already, we'll see who else may appear on the horizon. Her intended goes back to Arri / Aki on the top and Irk on the bottom. She has Chris behind her, so overall, it should be a very nice package of drive and conformation.

My 9 week old.........well, I have a few ideas, but right now, it's time to take her tracking. :D

[Mattweiser]

Gretchen,

in regard to the Austrian lines.. what do you see in regards to their stability? is it very high? also, how would you judge their overall temperment.. mostly I am curious about their trainability.. are they typical of tough Rotties, or are they a little more "easygoing" with regards to their willingness to be taught?

[BostonRott]

What I saw in my private visit to the kennel in '99, what is seen continuously in their demonstrations, and what I'm seeing in my own home.........yes, very stable dogs.

Re: trainability: excellent. Saw it in the working practice that I watched on my tour (perimeter searches, brush-line searches, obedience work), as well as seeing it in Vikka, and even in Banja.

[Mattweiser]

that is great...

that, to me, is possibly the biggest fallback of the overall breed.. How, some of the stronger dogs, tend to be a little on the "stuborn" side.. :)

so, when is the intended breeding of your 9mo????

:) :) :)

[BostonRott]

Fax von Tengen x Ter Waele Patch

Patch is a daughter of Stephan v Kaisersteinbruch, Mil DH. Fax competed in the DM at the age of 2.5 and took high protection (98). He is entered in the Spring Koerung, and has been collecting VDH CH points. :)

You can find Vikka's pedigree at Paw Village

Look up Ter Waele Vikka.

You can also look up my new girl, who is Vikka's cousin, Banja von der Frolikind.


Vikka is out of Patch, Banja is out of Posse. Both are by Stephan v Kaisersteinbruch.

[BostonRott]

O, sorry, thought you said "what is her breeding," not "when is the intended." Ugh, more caffeine please!! Well, as she hasn't come into heat yet, we can't quite start. Though if I want to follow current trends in of a certain US Rott club, I could just breed her whenever, and claim to have an accidental litter.

She will be bred when her health clearances are done, and I feel she's proven herself in temperament and conformation. She's already passed her first CERF exam, and prelims on hips and elbows are gorgeous. Heart by cardiologist and another CERF exam will be done this Fall. :D

[Mattweiser]

no worries! that was my next question!! ;)

looking at the ped now...

nice lookng sire.. great scores at the DM too!!!

[linedog]

Boston Rott. A question--- is the Austian Army Kennel, A.K.A. Von Schloss hexental The kennel you referred to. thanks

[frontierrots]

I'm not Gretchen but I CAN answer that question :)

The Austrian Military kennel used to be called Karl- Adolf Ranch but is now called Kaisersteinbruch

[BostonRott]

That is correct. Since you have a Stephan v Kaistersteinbruch grand-daughter, I'd expect you to know that!! :D