USMC makes an uneducated choice.....

[lacroixel]

Hi all i am a former Marine and my husband is active duty. We own (or he owns us!) a wonderful 2yr old male rotti.... When we got this order on our door step a few months back I was so angry and frustrated I couldnt think straight! If they was to ban pits, rots, and wolves fine but ban the other "bully" or status breed as well... dobbies, akitas GSD and so on... I dont get this and I am hurt to have our dogs lumped and labbled that they "present an unreasonable risk to the health and safety " give me a break USMC seriously......
What do you guys think????







Here is the paraghraph on the Banning

5003. PROHIBITED DOG BREEDS. Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, canid/wolf hybrids, or any canine breed with dominant traits of aggression present an unreasonable risk to the health and safety of personnel in family housing areas. Consequently, full or mixed breeds of Pit Bulls, Rottweilers and canid/wolf hybrids are prohibited aboard Marine Corps installations. In the absence of formal breed identification (e.g., certification by a civilian organization such as the American Kennel Club) a Corps Officer (VCO) or a civilian veterinarian.

[JoJo]

You're preaching to the choir. It's the irresponsible owners/breeders who are creating this. So when there's a bad apple(s) then the good suffer right along.

http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/bre...-military.html

The only way to beat BSL is education and make sure your own dog is a model canine.

[moondog]

Yes, it stinks, it's wrong, and it needs to be fought against. I do wonder, however, whether this is a good time to bring a new Rottweiler puppy into your life?

[JoJo]

Originally Posted by moondog

Yes, it stinks, it's wrong, and it needs to be fought against. I do wonder, however, whether this is a good time to bring a new Rottweiler puppy into your life?

Great point Moondog! Unless you absolutely know where you are going to live and all is OK to have TWO ROTTWEILERS. Don't forget, BSL also hits renters on the outside world as the landlords can't get insurance on their property if a specific breed of dog is on the property. That ALSO goes for homeowners!! Again, the ripple effect.

I suggest you study up on BSL before you get that pup. You will get a real thrill if the Marine's orders thrilled you so!

[lacroixel]

We are moving off base in two weeks to a house with a half acre.... so no worries!

[Johnny6]

Originally Posted by lacroixel

We are moving off base in two weeks to a house with a half acre.... so no worries!

Good, i don't see why anyone in the military even bothers with base housing, it doesn't make sense because they take all of your BAH away (i'm also military). My last duty station i received $1200 for BAH, i decided to live out in town and rented a very nice house for $750 a month and a nice piece of land for my Rottie and an extra $450 in my pocket :)

[JonandMichelle]

lacroixel: You've been a member since 2008 - so you've been around the forums long enough to read my very informative updates on the military's BSL policy and how it was affecting our military members...where have you been From going through your postings on this forum, you yourself need more education of our breed...

Johnny6 - good for you to be afforded the chance to live off base! However, there are thousands of military families who not have this opportunity, and if it wasn't for base housing, they wouldn't have a roof over their heads! So before you go bashing the very thing that affords thousands of men and women in uniform an entitlement to housing - THINK! Now think of those who must dump their dogs due to uneducated dog owners - not very fair is it?

[Johnny6]

Originally Posted by JonandMichelle

Johnny6 - good for you to be afforded the chance to live off base! However, there are thousands of military families who not have this opportunity, and if it wasn't for base housing, they wouldn't have a roof over their heads! So before you go bashing the very thing that affords thousands of men and women in uniform an entitlement to housing - THINK! Now think of those who must dump their dogs due to uneducated dog owners - not very fair is it?

Did you miss the part where i said i'm in the military? Every family in the military is entitled to BAH. BAH is money for housing that allows you to live off base, and the amount of BAH you receive is based off the cost of living in that area plus an extra 25% so it's more than enough to find a very decent place out in town. Base housing is an option for pretty much lazy people that don't want to go through the trouble of looking for a place out in town, or for people shopping looking for a home and in the mean time they stay in base housing. If you chose to stay in base housing all the BAH you are entitled to is automatically deducted, which means you are pretty much throwing your money away because you could find a much better and cheaper place out in town. So now do me a favor and think before you post about anything you have no clue about, military pay and personnel service is my military job you picked the wrong person to argue with lol.

[JonandMichelle]

Ummm, apparently you don't use the options on this forum that Roscoe provides its users....I'm ex USAF, married to active duty AF...let's not go there, shall we? From the immature nature of your post, I can probably bet that I had boots on the ground before you entered middle school...

Your ignorance speaks volumes and I find it pointless to argue with you...thanks for serving our country!

[Johnny6]

Originally Posted by JonandMichelle

Ummm, apparently you don't use the options on this forum that Roscoe provides its users....I'm ex USAF, married to active duty AF...let's not go there, shall we? From the immature nature of your post, I can probably bet that I had boots on the ground before you entered middle school...

Your ignorance speaks volumes and I find it pointless to argue with you...thanks for serving our country!

I'm not arguing, but your post didn't make any sense. If your ex military and your spouse is active duty then you must know about housing allowances, right? You said that without base housing a military family will not have a roof over their head which is completely wrong, base housing is just a living option.....Let me break it down like this, you can either:

A) Choose to move your family on base housing and have no monthly housing allowances and free utilities except cable, internet, phone service etc.

OR

B) You choose to either purchase or rent a home and collect BAH (basic allowance for housing) which is an amount of money for paying rent or mortgage and it varies from anywhere between $1000 a month to $4500 depending on the average cost of living in your area.

Here's my example, i just got stationed in SC, i decided not to live on base housing and live off base, i'm entitled to $1400 dollars a month for BAH. My rent is currently $925 plus utilities i'm about $1200, so in the end i'm actually making an extra $200 dollars a month living out in town, if i lived in base housing the full $1400 would be deducted for a not so nice crappy home/duplex. Does this make more sense?

So base housing for a military family isn't a do or die deal, i've been doing this for 7 years i'm a PSC (E7). I hope this explains it a little better for you.

[JonandMichelle]

Thanks for breaking that down for me, because for the past 20 years, I didn't realize how BAH worked

As you know, not every duty station receives COLA, in fact, very few do. Also, BAH is dictated by your location, which obviously varies...For your area, your BAH is VERY high; however, let's take my little ol' area, where BAH is very low. The average military family living on military housing are of low ranking (agreed), whom do not make enough BAH to sustain the "extra" out of pocket expenses that come with living off base, such as, water, electric, heat, and so on. Furthermore, the average young military family does not have a duel income, which compounds the situation. In my area, an O-4 with dependents only receives $1,485.00 in BAH, with no COLA. That's an O-4!!

So, now you have predominantly young Airman, Soldiers, and Marines, who own dogs that have been black listed by Uncle Sam, who CANNOT afford to live off base, who must dump their dogs!

I also have experience young man, you see, I've been there! I was once that dependent, married to a young Airman, with two young children, who couldn't afford all the extras that life has to offer in order to live off base, with Rottweiler's...don't flippin' dare call me, or my husband "lazy!" What it is, is called life. Fast forward today, and yes, rank has it's privileges and we can afford the nice house in the burbs. So before you go insulting your fellow men and women in uniform...well, I'll go back to my original statement - Think!

[lacroixel]

(posted by JonandMichelle)"lacroixel: You've been a member since 2008 - so you've been around the forums long enough to read my very informative updates on the military's BSL policy and how it was affecting our military members...where have you been From going through your postings on this forum, you yourself need more education of our breed..."

And yes I have been a member since 2008, but when my husband deployed and I was a female Marine with a kid to take care of alone I had other things on my mind.... now he is home and I am able to come back... so to answer your question where have I been... busy!

[JonandMichelle]

Well welcome back, now heed all the advice you've been given and educate yourself before you go jumping in way over your head!

[Johnny6]

I agree with you, but a lot has changed in the entitlement department. Yes, BAH is based off rank but the pay gap isn't enormous. I'm not taking Officers into consideration because they are spoiled silly with entitlements. The difference between BAH from an E-7 to an E-1 is roughly $200-$300 dollars, it's not like it used to be in the "good ol days" where a high rank like E-6 and E-7 was god and E-1, E-2 were scum, all of that mentality is gone.

The military released a new instruction last year that will start to shut down all base housing in most U.S areas, exceptions will be overseas base housing. Kings Bay GA no longer has base housing, you are required to collect BAH and live out in town and BAH isn't the greatest down there but you can still find a very decent place. What i meant by "lazy" is that i meet many people with that attitude for example: "It's too much of a hassle to look for a place, just stick me in housing i don't care" I see this from all ranks and in my opinion it's just laziness.

I came in as an E-2 with a wife and we managed to live very comfortably off of $800 a month of BAH, we had a 2 bedroom apartment which was pretty nice, a whole lot better than housing. Maybe it's a little different in the USAF, but i work with Navy and Marines and yes i also agree if you have a quite large family with 4+ kids as an E-1 you're better off in housing but i've yet to meet a family with a low rank and 2-3 kids struggling with rent or anything else living out in town. It's actually my job to monitor those aspects, if a family is falling behind on payments they will be forced back into housing, if housing isn't available the spouse and kids would have to move to other immediate family and BAH will be stopped, on top of that the service member would have to live in the barracks, it gets harsh sometimes.

I'm sorry that you had to go through those troubles early on as an airman spouse, but since 2001 everything has been overhauled and quality of life for young recruits and their families has been dramatically increased. An E-1 now makes $1500 dollars a month for base pay, let's say you add $800 for BAH and $300 for BAS (food entitlement) that E-1 is now making $2600 dollars a month, i think that's pretty good, and let's not forget they go from E-1 to E-3 in less than a year. So in a year that Airman is making $3100 dollars a month, if he has dependents, not too shabby right?

[JonandMichelle]

I'll just agree to disagree with you