BSL hitting our military...

[JonandMichelle]

CROSSPOST from BSL UPDATES:

**Again, this is sweeping across ALL of our military installations, effecting all branches of service. Specific Commands have already passed BSL, banning specific breeds, to include the Rottweiler, "Pit Bull", Husky, and Akita. Some lists continue to target other specific breeds, but I do not have that information.

**Not all of the blame lays at the feet of the higher-ups, as many service members MUST take responsibility for their actions, and realize the commitment of dog ownership. I have seen too often the lack of these actions, as our military continues to become younger, so has the judgment.

BSL UPDATES

Recently there have been several requests for assistance to military families which are in fear that their dogs will be banned.

I have it on good authority now,that there IS a move to ban outright,several breeds on ANY military family housing base.

Below you will find an email address which is open to the public but also gives access to those who are right now,debating this ban.

On the list are many breeds.

"Pit Bulls"
Am Staff,
Staffie Bulls,
Dobermans,
Rottweilers,
Husky,
Great Danes.........

At a time which we are asked to support our troops- those that are fighting to protect democracy in other countries,this is nothing short of a slap in the face.

Many dogs are a comfort for those whose spouses are far away,many of these dogs comfort those same soldiers becuase they know their family has a devoted animal to watch over them.

Canada or the USA it simply does not matter.Democracy is all about rights and freedoms.

OUR DOGS,OUR COUNTRY.

Please write,please be polite but passionate.

Marine Mail

[jrc87]

Ugh, depressing. :( Thanks for the email - I'm sending one now, along with some ferocious pictures of Egen kissing babies and grannies while on therapy duty. ;)

[tthornto]

I wouldnt worry too much guys. From my experience, most rediculous restrictions, aside from smoking pot are more often than not brushed aside by even the higher ranking officers. We usually govern ourselves internally, and when we see that new regulations simply are a waste of effort, we let them go. I am sure that there is an old salty Admiral who will stand up and say (pardon me Im a Sailor), "!@#$ this, it aint gonna happen," and it wont. I cannot believe for one second that anyone outside of congress(they are never there, so it doesnt matter) will take a 25 year Captain or Colonel's dog if it happens to be on this "list." The Marines are called "Teufel Heunden" Devil Dogs for a reason, these dogs are something to be ????ing proud of! As long as we are not putting them into rings like barbarians for our own entertainment, they are, and stand for everything American! Tenacity, Fortitude, Sacrifice, Loyalty, and Pride, which these dogs carry with their heads high! The Marines even have their own bully mascot Chesty(should we change it to a french poodle?).
I understand he is an English Bulldog, and from owning one, I know that they generally get a warmer welcome than the "dangerous fighting breeds", but guess what. They were a fighting breed, and I know there are still some strong traces of that tenacious kill or be killed dna in them. I have a 4 y/o English Bully that I have seen put my friends 95pnd "American Bully" on the ground by his throat, and she will not take one bit of harrassment from my 115 pnd Rottweiler.
These dogs that Chaos Kennels, and Rockstar Pits, are not really "Pit-Bulls" any more. They look down on "game pits" or fighting dogs. They are breeding them out of the traditional American Pit Bull Terrier keeping their look but improving their physic, head size, and personality. A very close friend is breeding some incredible dogs here in Tucson with the most gentle tempers I have seen in a dog outside of a lab, and very reserved like an English Bulldog. They are being turned into big intimidating looking loveable goof-balls like Rottweilers without the guarding drive. I guess the point is, This is America. We have to have laws that protect others, but when it comes time to draw the line, we will.

[JonandMichelle]

Your thoughts are very misguided and are full of wishful thinking. It is happening, and it will continue to happen...

Only owners can make a change - by becoming responsible and educated

[Modus]

Living on base sucks anyway lol.

[JoJo]

Living on base sucks anyway lol.

Living on base helps many, many families. They are greatful for being able to have housing.

You are missing the point totally. It's those people who live on base that need to start taking responsibility for there dogs' actions which is creating all the BSL being forced upon them. That effects the responsible owners. Hopefully that means you too!! You see, having the breed of your choice, meaning the Rottweiler will not only be banned from that base housing that many need, those same people will most likely have a very hard time finding housing arrangements on the outside just because of owning that same Rottweiler. BSL is spreading and effects are enormous!!

People need to get educated and demonstrate responsible dog ownership. Not doing so makes it very diffecult for us responsible owners. It doesn't matter where you live, BSL effects all of us.

[Williams123]

[QUOTE=JoJo;858950 People need to get educated and demonstrate responsible dog ownership. Not doing so makes it very diffecult for us responsible owners. It doesn't matter where you live, BSL effects all of us. [/QUOTE]

Exactly, very well said. BSL exists because of bad owners and if they don't wake up, educate themselves and become the responsible owners they should have been in the first place, those of us who truly love our dogs will have to deal with the consequences.

[Modus]

You obviously live on base lol. You're entitled to your opinion.

Originally Posted by JoJo

Living on base helps many, many families. They are greatful for being able to have housing.

You are missing the point totally. It's those people who live on base that need to start taking responsibility for there dogs' actions which is creating all the BSL being forced upon them. That effects the responsible owners. Hopefully that means you too!! You see, having the breed of your choice, meaning the Rottweiler will not only be banned from that base housing that many need, those same people will most likely have a very hard time finding housing arrangements on the outside just because of owning that same Rottweiler. BSL is spreading and effects are enormous!!

People need to get educated and demonstrate responsible dog ownership. Not doing so makes it very diffecult for us responsible owners. It doesn't matter where you live, BSL effects all of us.

[JoJo]

[QUOTEYou obviously live on base lol. You're entitled to your opinion.
][/QUOTE]

No, not in the military. Again, you are totally missing the point of this discussion. This isn't about "base housing" this is about BSL IN base housing which effects not only the service members, but those that are off base too. What I'm gathering from your nonchalant responses is that you must be part of the problem, not willing to be part of the solution.

[JonandMichelle]

BSL passed on the Army Installation of Ft. Campbell, KY

Rottweilers
Pitt Bulls
Chows
Doberman Pinschers
Wolf hybrids
and any cross/mixed breeds of such...

[diesel207]

Question, how come you never see German Shepards on these list? Not saying that I want to see them or any dogs but curious. Is it because so much law enforcement agencies use them?

[linedog]

Originally Posted by diesel207

Question, how come you never see German Shepards on these list? Not saying that I want to see them or any dogs but curious. Is it because so much law enforcement agencies use them?

I think it's more because the military uses the shepherd in many ways, sentry, scout, bomb detection etc.To ban dogs as dangerous that they use themselves would be a little ridiculous.

[JonandMichelle]

There are MANY cities and towns that include the German Shepherd Dog in their list of "aggressive dogs" or "dangerous dogs." If you visit Jan Coopers website, you will find those places. When it comes to military installations, I do not think it boils down to whether or not the GSD is used as a police dog or not, rather the bite ratio or incidents a particular breed has had...it comes down to responsibility folks, and sadly, it is lacking!

[poohbearsmom]

WOW.

It's very disheartening to see some of the blase' and nonchalant responses regarding jonandmichelle's OP.

Do you people not understand that BSL is like a wildfire? What affects your neighbors WILL affect YOU.

Perhaps you're not familiar with our dog friends in Colorado who had Pit Bulls (and mixes and even some dogs with NO pit bull in them) pulled from their homes and euthenized because of BSL?

We ALL need to practice responsible dog ownership. This includes training and socializing your puppies and dogs. It includes proper containment. It included thinking about your children's safety, and your neighbors' safety and well being. It includes vetting your dogs regularly and keeping them UTD on necessary vaccinations. It includes EDUCATING yourselves on not only dog behavior, but also issues that will affect you if you stick your head in the sand and ignore what's going on with the AR front.

Wake up folks. You will not have the right to own the breed of your choosing soon if you walk through life with such a cavalier attitude.

Our Military families that live in base/post housing are our neighbors. They need our help.

My 2 cents.

[linedog]

I'm more than a little surprised by the bsl"s on some of these bases, particularly the one's which are heavily infantry as is Ft. Cambell, home of the 101st Division. Dogs of the working breeds are held in high regard by the men they accompany to battle, The first medal of honor was given to a dog handler during the vietnam war, and a war memorial is in the works honoring the different breeds used and their handlers, Shepherds, dobermans, and labs being some of these, any BSL, is troubling , in this case doubly so. Does anyone know if Ft. Bragg has a BSL, and what it includes?