VP of usrc dogs used again

[Gunsey'sMom]

And I do totally agree with the above, but I do also think that things like this shirt are just completely unnecassary. If I can sign a petition against it I will. Am I going to chain myself to the door of stores where its sold? No, but I will say something about it at least- to let the people involved know that there are people out there that do think that this portrait is unecassary (sp?) I mean why cant thi sguy stand on his own on a shirt? Is he not good enough? HMMMMM? So he has to have some kind of ornament.

And I do agree, us portraying our dogs the way we want them to be seen IS the best possible medicine. We take Gunner wher we can to do that and it is very rewarding.

[G force]

while the breed can be dangerous when not properly trained and socialized, if you think pictures,videos and shirts like this does nothing to further bsl I sugest you talk to connie johnson SEKG`s vice president (dvg) who is fighting bsl in tampa-bay.
It just so happens one of the commisioners is a pro wrestler and has a copy of the magazine sitting on his table for all the other commisioners to see. So say this will do nothing to further bsl all you want to connie.

I am waiting permission to cross post the post she made

[Gunsey'sMom]

Originally Posted by G force

while the breed can be dangerous when not properly trained and socialized, if you think pictures,videos and shirts like this does nothing to further bsl I sugest you talk to connie johnson SEKG`s vice president (dvg) who is fighting bsl in tampa-bay.
It just so happens one of the commisioners is a pro wrestler and has a copy of the magazine sitting on his table for all the other commisioners to see. So say this will do nothing to further bsl all you want to connie.

I am waiting permission to cross post the post she made

I think it certainly does have a role in it, but you really can only do so much about people producing a T-shirt. You can do all you can possibly do of course. But when it comes down to it, there is really no law that says they cant slap a foaming at the mouth Rott on a T-shirt that might be even MORE distasteful than even this T-shirt is.

So while I do agree with its negative influence here- I am saying there may only be so many courses of action to be taken, and the petition is an excellent one.

Things like this are dangerous not in an of themselves, but because they are taken out of context, and there is so much lack of education surrounding them. So by all means if everyone was a dog expert- T-shirts for all!!! But thats as likely as planet of the apes so.........

[lblax]

Originally Posted by G force

while the breed can be dangerous when not properly trained and socialized, if you think pictures,videos and shirts like this does nothing to further bsl I sugest you talk to connie johnson SEKG`s vice president (dvg) who is fighting bsl in tampa-bay.
It just so happens one of the commisioners is a pro wrestler and has a copy of the magazine sitting on his table for all the other commisioners to see. So say this will do nothing to further bsl all you want to connie.

I am waiting permission to cross post the post she made

so what if they see it they would probably find it entertaining and ridiculas also. there decision wont be changed by some publicity man trying to figuer out what sells. there desicion is already in motion based on facts and statistics and the facts are people simply cant handle there dogs plain and simple they have not any concept of how to properly contain a dog/how to train a dog/or how to socialize a dog. if she maade a post in a public forum then post it once its there its free to all.

[princesssnichole]

You all need to take all of your dogs to BSL meetings. Show them how well behaved they are etc. This is so funny. I am reading this laughing my arse off. White trailer trash people do enjoy wrestling, but so do upper middle class. It is a stupid sport for young boys to adore. They eventually grow out of it as they realize that the crap is fake. WWE also plays a HUGE spot with steroids. I have yet to see any tougher laws pertaining to a drug that kills and causes roid rage.

Use some common sense when it comes to the law BSL will not get pushed through based on a T-shirt that a "fake" wrestler promotes. BSL will get pushed through based on people's fears, and ignorance. Instead of signing a petition that no one is going to even look at, why don't you start up a group that will educate the public on this breed. So people won't be scared of the Rott. At every BSL meeting stand outside with your Rotts show these people. BSL is unconstitutional. At all levels. If only we could get BSL banned everything would be fine.

SO give this thread a break it is retarded and mildly entertaining. Do something productive to fight BSL and stop worrying about a t-shirt

[s1960]

Originally Posted by princesssnichole

WWE also plays a HUGE spot with steroids. I have yet to see any tougher laws pertaining to a drug that kills and causes roid rage.

LOL, you must not have any news in Livonia. I agree though that making too big a deal about a stupid T shirt is a waste.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by princesssnichole

....
. If only we could get BSL banned everything would be fine.
...

Fine? Hardly. While I don't think the t-shirt is a good idea at all, that's only part of the problem. Too many stupid people breeding rotts, ...too many stupid people buying rotts, and laws already on the books that aren't being enforced....that's the core of the problem (in my opinion).

[Karyn]

Visual impressions do have an impact - if not, why ban smoking advertisements? Surely the picture of an adult smoking is not going to make people smoke!

[AC1 LPD]

Since I spoke with Connie on Sat about this and have permission from her to crosspost here is what I already posted to another forum.

Reposted with permission of Connie Johnson. For those not aware of who she is, she is the SEKG's Vice President (DVG) and long time schutzhund enthusiast. I emphasised the portion of one of the commissioners that she has been dealing with. Just some food for thought ..............

Subject: Re: DOGCHAT: Cover of the WWE
From: Connie Johnson <ILV4ROTTS@AOL.COM>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:14:18 EDT

We are having a very difficult time in Tampa-Bay with the possibility of BLS coming our way. It is reality folks and those of you that sit on the sidelines and watch and do nothing to have your voice heard to protect our breed have no business owning the breed anyway. I have been fighting this issue with the Legislators in my state for a while and it is becoming a hard battle because of the perception they have of our breed. If you don't think this stuff gets out there then you are wrong. One of my commissioners happens to be a pro wrestler and guess what was sitting on the table in his office......and so how easy do you think it is for me to convince him otherwise? AND do you think the other commissioners never walk in his office. Give me a break.
I can't see how people can be that selfish for their own agenda and put "their dogs" that they are obligated to protect in such a position. What were they thinking???? Maybe $$$$ or power or whatever.
It is pathetic that they can be representatives of a club that is now allowing and promoting the risk of the existence of our breed.
It is time to change the leadership(that supports this type of action) of
this club and the members have the ability to do just that. It will not change until we change it. So please keep this in mind when the time comes to make your voice heard. IT is YOUR responsibility.

Connie Johnson
Valhalla Rottweilers
Tampa-Bay

*~*~*!*~*~*
Paula Rebstad

[Gunsey'sMom]

Originally Posted by Skip

Fine? Hardly. While I don't think the t-shirt is a good idea at all, that's only part of the problem. Too many stupid people breeding rotts, ...too many stupid people buying rotts, and laws already on the books that aren't being enforced....that's the core of the problem (in my opinion).

I agree with this. And while I dont want to generalize everyone who watches WWE into one category, there are a group (at least this can be proven in my area) that may not be the brightest crayons in the pack. So why put forth this image to them? It is too easy to take out of context and confuse people. They might sadly, as many do already think aquiring a Rott= the power depicted in that image. If they are that foolish, they have no business owning the breed- or any dog for that reason.

With "fads" like that that come along- poorly breed dogs flourish more than ever, becasue they are in demand, than sit in peoples back yards as ornments if they are lucky enough not to be swept off to the pound when they lose their novelty or become unmanageable to quickly. Reminds me of the little boy that used to live down the street- who got a GSD and took to the pound when it got to big- but then saw our Rott- and before we knew it told us they too had a Rott. Now how big did they think the Rott was going to get?

So to me this shirt is like another log on the fire, if it can be stopped- why wouldnt you try to stop it by telling people how you feel about it?

[lblax]

I can't see how people can be that selfish for their own agenda and put "their dogs" that they are obligated to protect in such a position. What were they thinking????

maybe they were thinking this is no big deal????

[EliDogInTraining]

Larry you always seem to want everyone to think you're a wealth of information and expertise but once again what we have is just your opinion to back things up. While you certainly are entitled to your opinion you're also certainly living in "Leave it to Beaver" land if you think that things like this don't affect our breed in a negative light.

As for the person who mentioned the people by names had done more for the breed than most of us will in a lifetime? What wonderful things have they done? Please name them...don't be shy. This should be really good.

[lblax]

Originally Posted by EliDogInTraining

Larry you always seem to want everyone to think you're a wealth of information and expertise but once again what we have is just your opinion to back things up. While you certainly are entitled to your opinion you're also certainly living in "Leave it to Beaver" land if you think that things like this don't affect our breed in a negative light.

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the breed is already in a negative light so the shirt is just trivial.. and who ever said this take any kind of a wealth of infomation to figure out a bunch of whining idiots?? bsl is going to happen like it or not shirt or not and all the petitions or not. just another law the police wont enforce. i cant think of anyplace in town or in countys that doesnt have a leash or containmant laws im sure there is probably some if the authorities actually had the balz to enforce this law that is already on the books there would be no need for bsl or actually any other pet law to be introduced how can pitts and rotts attack if there are confined like every pet including cats are suppose to be the point is the ball is already rolling crying about commercials/shirts/ isnt going to slow or speed up the ball it just gains momentum all the way down the hill. the nations insurance companies are fueling this with bite statistics/and by claims paid they hold the purse strings and whoever holds the purse string always wins. and yes my real name is eddy haskel LOL

[EliDogInTraining]

Whining idiots?...would that be opposed to a babbling buffoon who thinks there is nothing wrong with this because...help me out here now... BSL is going to happen whether people oppose it or not? Try telling that fantasy to the folks that fight and win BSL everyday or to the folks in California that defeated bill 1634. Yes you're a fountain of wisdom Eddie.

As for anywhere that doesn't have a leash law or containment law....I live in a rural county that has neither. As for insurance...my insurer asked if I wanted to insure my dog against accidental death.

[jlhnokc]

I understand how some people could get upset about this t-shirt, but I think it's more important to choose your battles. If a large group of people that are supposed to be supporting the rott against BSL start making a huge deal about a t-shirt that is for Jon Cena (not dogs) go off half cocked it will not be taken seriously and I believe will have an even harder time being taken seriously when something is important to fight about. How many t-shirts are out there that show a rott in this exact perspective? Or stickers? Or anything else, how about movies, tv shows, about anytime a mean looking guard dog is needed, it's almost always a rott...you can't fight those types of things, the rott does have a very intimidating look, it's going to be used. So I say, save your breath for a time it can be better used. Continue to educate people everytime you get a chance. I had a couple people come look at my house last week, 2 guys. My big door was open, so they knocked on the glass, Jaycee did what she was supposed to, she barked very loudly and continued barking at the door until I came to it, I pet her, said "It's ok" and they came in. they couldn't believe it, they thought she was going to tear them in two, and they came in and she wiggled all around their legs giving out kisses. I said "what most people don't know about rotts is how sweet they truly are". Now I doubt if either of those 2 guys saw this t-shirt they would let the t-shirt outweigh their personal life experience with a rott.