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| URGENT! Vote today! Sorry for the short notice!! -------- HB 350 is now up for a vote TODAY, Tuesday, March 28, 2000. The proposed bill will make restrictive changes to Ohio's current dangerous/ vicious dog law. Ohio is the only state in the union to have breed specific legislation at the state level. In Ohio "a breed commonly identified as a pit bull dog " is considered vicious. Dogs that seriously injure or kill a person, cause other than serious injury to a person, or kill another dog are also defined as vicious. Communities throughout Ohio have added other pure and mixed breeds to the "pit bull" definition. If passed, HB 350 will REQUIRE MUZZLES on any vicious dogs when off the owner's property. This presents a serious problem for owners of dogs that are classified as vicious based only on appearance, NOT behavior. No provisions are made for allowing a dog to be unmuzzled, unless it is hunting or in training for hunting. HB 350 also makes it a felony to "debark or surgically silence" a vicious dog; to posess a vicious dog that has been debarked; or to "falsely attest" that the dog is not a vicious dog when signing a waiver provided by a veterinarian who will debark or surgically silence the dog. A debarked dog will be considered a deadly weapon. Owners of debarked dogs may be charged with a 4th degree felony if their debarked dog is classified as vicious. The debarking portion of this law was created due to complaints by police that silent dogs were used to guard drug houses, and officers were injured when making drug busts. Toledo police have documented five cases in two years of encountering silenced dogs- is this enough to warrant a state law? An ironic twist- in 1994 the Ohio State Senate endorsed the AKC's Canine Good Citizen program. A pit bull type that has passed a CGC in Ohio would be required to wear a muzzle, be on a chain-like leash, and have a $50,000 liability policy. Dogs with little to no training, who have not passed the CGC requirements, would not have these restrictions. Does this seem fair? Reasonable? Please contact the following to express your concerns regarding HB350. Sponsor of the bill: Representative Lynn Olman, 77 South High Street, 13th Floor Columbus, OH 43266-0603 Telephone: (614) 466-1731 Fax: (614) 644-9494 This is Mr. Olman's third term in office. He is an insurance agent for State Farm Insurance. In 1999, State Farm was a co-sponser with the HSUS for "Dog Bite Safety Prevention Week. State Farm also publishes numerous educational materials for dog bite safety, none of which name specific breeds as vicious, all of which state that dog bites are a largely preventable problem. Other Sponsors for HB 350 include: Jeanine Perry- 614-466-1418 Dixie J Allen- 614-466-1607 David Evans- 614-466-1482 Rose Vesper- 614-644-6034 Jack Ford-614-466-1401 Sylvester Patton-614-466-9435 Samuel Britton-614-466-1308 Christopher Verich-614-466-5358 Edward Jerse- he added in the requirement that all vicious dogs be muzzled. 614-466-8012 Address for all is 77 South High St 13th Flr, Columbus, Ohio 43266-0603 Fax for all is 614-644-9494 Visit this link to contact your State Representative: <A HREF=http://www.piperinfo.com/state/sloh.html>http://www.piperinfo.com/state/sloh.html</A> A Sample letter follows: March 22, 2000 Representative Lynn Olman 77 South High Street, 13th Floor Columbus, OH 43266-0603 Representative Olman: I understand that the House of Representatives will soon consider HB 350, a bill intended to protect police officers from vicious dogs. While I want police officers protected from dog attacks, I do not like the provisions that ban debarking of pit bulll dogs and require them to be muzzled. Many breeds and mixes are misidentified as pit bull dogs. The muzzling requirement would mean that well-behaved pets will no longer be allowed to walk on a leash in public unless they are muzzled, and show dogs will be banned from competing because muzzles are not allowed in the show ring. The potential for felony charges for debarking a family pet or show dog is also unfair to well-behaved dogs and their owners. A procedure that can mean the difference between life and death for a dog that bothers neighbors with excessive barking should not be prohibited simply because some people use similar-looking dogs for crimes. Instead of catching all pit bull look-alikes in the net, why not pass a law that makes it a felony to use a dog in commission of a crime and exempt well-behaved dogs that are Canine Good Citizens or an obedience title from the muzzling requirement? Sincerely, (Your name & address) ------------------ Stacy White stacywhite@rottweiler.net [This message has been edited by Stacy White (edited March 28, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Stacy White (edited March 28, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Stacy White (edited March 28, 2000).] |
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| An update on the Ohio bill --- EXTREMELY URGENT- IMMEDIATE RESPONSE NEEDED! OHIO HB 350 PASSED out of the house and will be moving to the Senate for hearings. This bill passed rapidly through the House, and we expect the same speed in the Senate. There are only 33 decisions makers in the Senate, so we must make every effort possible NOW to kill this bill. Call 1-800-282-0253 (466-8842 in Columbus) to find out the status of a bill and when the next hearing is scheduled. There may be two hearings for this bill where the public may testify. OBJECTIONABLE PORTIONS OF THE BILL: **MUZZLES required on any vicious dogs when off the owner’s property. (Please note that Ohio has two behavior based classifications for vicious dogs, and also classifies any dog commonly identified as a pit bull as vicious) No provisions are made for allowing a dog to be unmuzzled, unless it is hunting or in training for hunting. The muzzling means that gentle pet dogs in the “pit bull” category will no longer be allowed to walk on a leash in public unless they are muzzled, and show dogs in this category will be banned from competing in all events because muzzles are not allowed in the show ring. ** It will be a felony to debark or surgically silence" a vicious dog, or to possess a vicious dog that has been debarked; or to "falsely attest" that the dog is not a vicious dog when signing a waiver provided by a veterinarian who will debark or surgically silence the dog. **A debarked dog will be considered a deadly weapon. The potential for felony charges for debarking a family pet or show dog is unfair to well-behaved dogs and their owners. A procedure that can mean the difference between life and death for a dog that bothers neighbors with excessive barking should not be prohibited simply because some people debark dogs for criminal purposes. ADDITIONAL HISTORY TO THE BILL This bill was introduced based on complaints by Toledo Ohio police and Animal Control that silent pit bull dogs were used to guard drug houses, and officers were injured when making drug busts. Toledo police have documented just five cases in only two years of encountering silenced dogs. This is not enough information to warrant a state law that will impact negatively on thousands of responsible dog owners in the state. Please consider using the following in your comments to the Senate: In 1994 the Ohio State Senate endorsed the AKC’s Canine Good Citizen program. A pit bull type that has passed a CGC in Ohio would be required to wear a muzzle at all times, be on a chain-like leash, and have a $100,000 liability policy. How is it possible that the State of Ohio can endorse responsible dog owners, and at the same time place such onerous restrictions on them? URGE THE SENATE TO: A.Strike any breed specific language from this bill- specifically, remove any reference to: “a breed commonly identified as a pit bull dog.” B.Add language that makes it a felony to use a dog in the commission of a crime. C.Offer a choice to ‘A’: add exemption language. Dogs of a breed commonly identified as a pit bull dog that are Canine Good Citizens or hold an obedience title shall be exempt from the provisions of this code. Please contact the following to express your concerns regarding HB350. Sen. Jeffry Armbruster Senate Bldg Room 142 First Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-644-7613 SD13@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Sen. Louis Blessing Senate Bldg Room 038 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8068 Sen. Daniel Brady Senate Bldg Room 056 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-5123 Sen. James Carnes Senate Bldg Room 132 First Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8076 Sen. Robert Cupp Senate Bldg Room 138 First Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-7584 SD12@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Sen. Gregory DiDonato Senate Bldg Room 048 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-6508 Sen. Grace Drake Senate Bldg Room 220 Second Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-7505 Sen. Ben Espy Senate Bldg Room 303 Third Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-5131 Sen. Richard Finan Senate Bldg Room 201 Second Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-9737 SD07@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Sen. Eric Fingerhut Senate Bldg room 049 ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-4583 Sen.Linda Furney Senate Bldg Room 051 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-5204 Sen. Robert Gardner Senate Bldg Room 034 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-644-7718 Sen. Robert Hagan Senate Bldg Room 052 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8285 Sen.Leigh Herington Senate Bldg Room 228 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-7041 Sen. Charles Horn Senate Bldg Room 222 Second Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-4538 SD06@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Sen. Jay Hottinger Senate Bldg Room o42 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-5838 SD31@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Sen. Bruce Johnson Senate Bldg Room 137 First Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8064 Sen. Grace Kearns Senate Bldg Room 221 Second Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-3780 Sen. Anthony Latell Senate Bldg Room 050 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-7182 Sen. Robert Latta Senate Bldg Room 128 First Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8060 SD02@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Sen. Mark Mallory Senate Bldg Room 226 Second Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-5980 Sen. Rhine McLin Senate Bldg Room 223 Second Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-6247 Sen. Larry Mumper Senate Bldg Room 035 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8049 SD26@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Sen. Scott Nein Senate Bldg Room 039 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8072 Sen. Scott Oelslager Senate Bldg Room 140 First Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-0626 Sen. C J Prentiss Senate Bldg Room 057 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-4857 Sen.Roy Ray Senate Bldg Room 127 First Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-4823 Sen. Dick Schafrath Senate Bldg Room 125 First floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8086 Sen. Michael Shoemaker Senate Bldg Room 134 First Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8156 Sen. Robert Spada Senate Bldg Room 143 First Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8056 Sen. Lynn Wachtmann Senate Bldg Room 040 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8150 SD01@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Sen. Eugene Watts Senate Bldg, Room 129 First Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-5981 Sen. Doug White Senate Bldg, Room 041 Ground Floor Columbus, OH 43215 614-466-8082 Contact: Melanie Tierney Spokeswoman Canine Friends of Cleveland PO Box 37140 Maple Hts, OH 44137 216-556-5PET ------------------ Stacy White stacywhite@rottweiler.net |
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| Let's help people. This is a statewide dog breed banning!... it is truly frigthening... the next breed could well be the Rottweiler, you better believe it! |
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| Yes, PLEASE help! I'm a resident of Cincinnati, where the city council JUST lifted the ban on pitbulls. . .if this law passes we'll all be right back where we started and it may not be long until Rotties are added to the list! Audrey |
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| OK..dumb question here...but how can out of state residents help with this??? I mean, yeah we can all call & write to voice our opinion, but since we are not Ohio residents...what can be done..we dont vote there?? Was just curious about that???? Trust me, I plan on calling and writing anyways ![]() [This message has been edited by JonandMichelle (edited March 29, 2000).] |
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| You may not be able to help with Ohio in general.but if you live in a state like Indiana,(like I do)it tends to play follow the leader, We have also had Vicious dog laws that did'nt start cropping up until Ohio put there "Pit Bull" laws in to effect. Unfortunatly here in IN, the "butt head" vicious owner gets a slap on the wrist and the dog looses it's life. As we all know, Mean People Make Mean Animals, and sadly we don't see these people getting the "book " thrown at them for abusing these dogs into agressivness. |
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| i love rottweilers and to let you know i wrote a letter i hope that it might help |
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| Thank you, trottrott, every letter helps! |
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| I received a response from Senator Richard Finan on Friday (the 28th). It was very brief, saying he supports everything in the bill. I will be writing him to let him know I'll keep this in mind the next time I see his name on the ballot. Grrrr. . . ![]() Audrey |
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| More HB-350 News from Melanie Tierney - my thanks to her for keeping the updates coming! ----------------- For Immediate Release: PLEASE POST AND CROSSPOST Columbus, Ohio May 17,2000 Proponent/Opponent hearings for HB 350 were held today. There were proponents for the bill, Were Det. Doug Allen the Gang Task Force out of Toledo, Ohio. Det. Allen works closely with Tom Skeldon, the Lucas County Dog Warden and representative for the Ohio County Dog Warden Association. Skeldon did not testify at this hearing, having given testimony last week. The Substitute bill was approved by the Committee- Please note that a provision has been added where, upon passage of this bill, all debarked/ surgically silenced dogs that are vicious must be ‘humanely euthanized’ in 180 days. This is a death sentence for certain dogs. Senator Fingerhut informed me that the Bill, which was originally intended to be voted on, has been postponed for vote to next week, due to all the comments/ information received. This means there will be hearings again on Wed, May 24, most likely starting at 9AM. We need people to testify, attend, and ee need you to call, phone and fax this week! Det. Allen’s testimony on the bill covered the concerns echoed by Rep. Olman, Tom Skeldon and others. Please note that the support and testimony for this bill has come out of Lucas County. Information from other areas of the state is anecdotal only. Det. Allen stated that silenced dogs have had their ‘warning mechanism’ taken away, and that a dog’s ability to bark is the ‘key’ mechanism to alert a person to an impending attack. He also pointed out that this bill is a method for them to have ‘punitive consequences’. He again stated that in the past two years they have discovered only 7 dogs that have been surgically altered. There were no questions from the committee. Opponent Testimony was offered by ten witnesses, each representing different portions of this very problematic bill- Tom Jones, and Am Staff fancier from Youngstown, spoke about the arbitrary enforcement of this bill, and questioned how such a narrow definition (only a vicious, debarked dog) would really serve to protect the public. He also asked why this could not be implemented at the local level, as only 7 dogs in Toledo have been identified. Polly Ward of the Ohio Animal Owner’s Association reviewed the insurance provisions, which double the insurance requirement’s for owner’s of vicious dogs. A company in Florida will insure dogs that are designated as vicious, a 100,000 policy for just one dog is more than $600 per year. I requested an amendment that would require dangerous dogs to adhere to the same confinement standards as vicious dogs. Norma Bennett Woolf, of the Ohio Valley Dog Owner’s Association and editor of “The Dog Owner’s Guide” discussed the debarking issues in depth, as well as the provision that requires dogs fitting the description of vicious and debarked to be killed within 180 days when the law takes effect. Paula Spangler, an Am Staff Fancier from Elyria, came with several dog friends (Darryl Dietrich a professional handler, Christina Roth, Am Staff owner) who each tacked the areas of responsible ownership, and requested amendments for: Adding language to include modern dog sports rather than only hunting or training for hunting Removal of use of the chain-link leash or tether Allowing CGC dogs to be exempt. Tammy Price, a former Humane Agent and Animal Warden, and Am staff owner, also spoke to many of these issues from her professional perspective. Harry George, President of the Central Ohio APBT club, wrapped up our comments with encouragement to the committee that they think the ramifications of this bill through thoroughly. We effectively answered many questions from the committee. They were somewhat resistant to our various groups requesting changes to the bill’s language, as they had only wanted to deal with the language specific to the debarking measure. We were attacking wording in the law that has been on the books for 12 years. I effectively argued that in my meeting with Senator Fingerhut last week, he counseled me to focus only on what was in print before us, in HB 350, which is what we were addressing in the hearing. Sen. Fingerhut has been very responsive to our requests, he is giving careful consideration to this issue, and is to be commended. During the hearing he attempted to address the amendment I had requested, and new language will be forthcoming. I was sorry to miss much of the testimony afterwards, as I was pulled out of the hearing into various negotiations with ‘the other side’. I think as a whole, with ten people representing dog groups and responsible dog ownership from all over the state, we did very well against the three supporters of the bill from Lucas County. We continued to raise the question- Why must this be a state law? Why can’t Lucas County do it? Thanks to Polly Ward and Norma Bennett-Woolf for following up on those questions. Polly called the Lucas County Administrator to find out why Tom Skeldon hadn’t proposed this at the county level. The answer was that Lucas County does not have "home rule " and therefore all they are permitted to do is adopt Ohio Revised Code, and they lack authority to adopt anything more at the county level. It appears the City of Toledo could adopt it, but then Skeldon would only be able to enforce the law within city limits. Norma pored through ORC (Ohio Revised Code), and pointed out ORC 955.221 (B)(1), states that: “A board of country commissioners may adopt and enforce resolutions to control dogs within the unincorporated areas of the county that are not otherwise in conflict with any other provision of the Ohio Revised Code. Section 955.221(A) describes the types of resolutions that may be passed by counties and townships. We are of the opinion that HB350 does not need to be a state law, and can be enacted at the local level, to address local issues. (I doubt we would support it at the local level, either). After the meeting, I met with Tom Skeldon and Det. Allen to explore the possibility of working together to reach a compromise on this bill. At this time, I would say that Tom Skeldon is firmly entrenched in his own belief system on this issue, and is not able to compromise. As we are opposing the bill, his simplistic analysis of our position is that: ”we support the debarking of vicious dogs.” Mr. Skeldon was strongly opposed to regulating the confinement of dangerous dogs. He stated that a friendly dog could be declared dangerous based on the plaintiff’s opinion, which may or may not be factual. When I countered with – “a dog can be declared vicious based on the plaintiff’s determination that it’s a pit bull, which may or may not be factual”- he found that argument unreasonable. I also spent time challenging their data- only seven dogs, only in Toledo. They are adamant that this is a pervasive, statewide problem, but have no factual data to back up, other than the 7 dogs they are aware of. Tom Jones contacted the dog wardens of Counties that were mentioned in Skeldon’s testimony- they reported no or only one or two dogs debarked in years of on the job enforcement. This is in direct conflict to Skeldon’s’ testimony. Please contact your Senator and the Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee listed below in this final week before HB 350 is voted on. We need your continued support to ensure success! Please encourage the following: Question- We are not convinced based on proponent testimony that this is a law that needs to be implemented at the state level. Why can’t it be implemented at a local level to address what is clearly a local problem? Remove- the language that requires the destruction of vicious, debarked dogs if this bill is passed. Owners could be required to post signs, and then would not have to kill their pet dogs. Other options- Section 955.22 of HB 350, Sections C & D. Please include references to modern dog activities, such as obedience, agility, tracking, etc. All of these activities help to promote responsible dog ownership, and produce controlled predictable animals. Suggested text could be: “Except when the dog is legally engaged in training for the purpose of hunting, herding, agility, obedience and other dog competition events, accompanied by the owner, keeper, harborer, or a handler: Section 955.22 of HB 350, Section D1 (line 74-77) Please remove the allowance for a dangerous dog to be tied as an alternative means of confinement. Dangerous dogs should be required to have the same confinement standards as vicious dogs. In many dog bite related fatalities or serious maulings, a dog on a chain was involved. Chaining a dog is an incredibly dangerous means to restrain an animal, and can create a highly aggressive animal, and a potentially life threatening situation, particularly for children. Ohio’s first fatality in many years, which occurred this spring, involved a dog on a chain. Section 955.22 of HB 350, Section D2 (line 80) Remove any reference to a chain-link leash or tether. Chain-like leashes afford no control to the handler; a dog can still lunge all six feet of length and not be under the handler’s control. Chain leashes are only as strong as the weakest link, and other equipment failures like the leash snap or handle breaking can occur. Chain leashes can also strip the skin off a human handler’s hand if the dog should lunge while the handler holds the chain portion, causing the handler to let go of the leash. Far safer, more effective choices for both human and dog, are leather or cotton web training leashes. These leashes also offer greater tensile strength ratings of 600+, and the handler can maintain total control of the animal. Suggested text could be: “Substantial leash or tether…” Senator Robert Latta Chair 614-466-8060 614-466-7667 (FAX) SD02@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Senator Louis Blessing Vice Chair 614-466-8068 614-644-5208 (FAX) Senator Mark Mallory Ranking Minority Member 614-466-5980 614-644-6164 (FAX) Senator Eric Fingerhut 614-466-4583 senatorfingerhut@hotmail.com Senator Robert Cupp 614-466-7584 SD12@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Senator Leigh Herington 614-466-7041 614-644-6164 (FAX) Senator Charles Horn 614-466-4538 614-466-7018 (FAX) SD06@mailr.sen.state.oh.us Senator Michael Shoemaker 614-466-8156 614-752-7188 (FAX) Senator Bruce Johnson 614-466-8064 614-644-5735 (FAX) Senator Scott Oelslager 614-466-0626 614-644-5735 (FAX) Melanie Tierney Canine Friends of Cleveland PO Box 37140 Maple Hts, OH 44137 216-556-5PET aegis66@msn.com |
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| More news from Melanie Tierney. Thanks Melanie for the update. Let's fight this one, we can win! For Immediate Release: PLEASE POST AND CROSSPOST Columbus, Ohio May 25,2000 HB 350 Passes the Senate 32-1 HB 350 passed out of the Senate and will move to the office of Governor Bob Taft for final approval. There is still time to voice your objections to this bill, and to ask Governor Taft to Veto it. Please read the following arguments below, and try to include them in your message to the Governor. Due to the very short time line- we ask that you FAX, CALL, and finally mail your letter to: Office of the Governor 77 S. High St. 30th Floor Columbus, OH 43266 (614) 466-9354. (FAX) 614-466-3555 (PHONE) The bill may be signed by the Governor immediately, or within two weeks. It is up to all of us as concerned, responsible dog owners to voice our opposition to this bill. HB 350 has a very serious provision that was added to the final draft- It requires all owners of debarked vicious dogs to have their dogs destroyed, killed, euthanized, or whatever word choice you would like to use, within 180 days of the effective date of this law. This provision is located in the last paragraph of the bill, lines 310-314. Please keep in mind that Ohio declares all dogs of a breed commonly identified as a Pit Bull to be vicious dogs, regardless of their behavior, temperament or training. A debarked dog which has no history of aggression, has never bitten anyone, but has the appearance of a pit bull dog, would have to be killed under this new law, unless we vigorously ask Governor Taft to VETO THIS BILL. Our research of several County Dog Wardens indicated that the following breeds and/or mixed breeds of these types of dogs is considered to be a pit bull, depending on the Dog Warden making the determination- Bull Terrier, Mini Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Terriers (Am Staff and Staffy Bull), Bullmastiff, Mastiff, Cane Corso, Fila Brasilero, American Bulldog, Dogo Argentine, American Pit Bull Terrier, Bulldog, short-haired dogs, stocky looking dogs, Boxers, dogs that have blocky skull shapes, dogs with brindle coat patterns, dogs that have scars on their bodies… ITEM 1: Call first, and give your objections, in brief, to an aide over the phone. Voice mail messages left after hours are also acceptable. The mandatory killing of any debarked vicious dogs was NOT included in the bill in the standard format of ALL CAPITAL letters, which all new law is supposed to follow. This type style clearly differentiates it from existing text, and it was not done in this case. ITEM 2: The majority of testimony for this bill came from Lucas County. Only 7 dogs in a two year period, representing less than one percent of ‘vicious’ dogs seized, have been debarked in Lucas County. No other ‘hard’ data was supplied- such as how the procedure is performed, who is doing it, etc. Proponent testimony contained statements using phrases such as “we think”, “probably”, “we don’t know”, and other guesses. Proponent testimony indicated a growing problem, pervasive in the state, although no other Dog Wardens came forward to testify. Our interviews with County Dog Wardens specifically mentioned in proponent testimony found that they did not perceive a problem in their community, and had come across only one, or no debarked vicious dogs in their counties over a period of years. Please tell Governor Taft that this legislation is not warranted on a state level, and should be adopted by Lucas County to handle their localized problem. Ohio Revised Code Section 955.221 gives County Commissioners the authority to adopt "ordinances or resolutions...concerned with...dogs as a threat to public health, safety, and welfare..." Let Governor Taft know that it is unacceptable for the State to take over the responsibilities that can and should be the realm of the county commissioners. "Special thanks to Polly Ward and Tom Jones for supplying information included in this release." Melanie Tierney Canine Friends of Cleveland PO Box 37140 Maple Hts, OH 44137 216-556-5PET aegis66@msn.com |
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| 32-1? I wonder who the "1" was, so I can at least send them a letter thanking them. Audrey (off to make a phone call) |
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