My Breed Is Less Vicious Than Your Breed

[BIGWRIGHT]

I was looking to buy a doberman recently and decided to join their listing well I talked to a few people and for the most part I enjoyed their information. Then I asked what's the difference between a Rottweiler and a doberman as far as ownership and the lights went red everyone kept saying oooooh I would never own a rottweiler they are to dangerous, they can't be trusted and theyare definetly dangerous. Sad isn't it how one set a breeders or owners would say bad things about another breed. Well I talked about the same thing on this website and some of you said the same thing that a doberman was two hyper and was not trust worthy and pretty much all the things they said about Rottweilers.


When are we going to learn that we as owners and breeders of so called aggressive dogs need to stick together. If you talk to a Mal breeder they say their dogs are the best you talk to a Anerican Bulldog breeder their dog is the best and you talk to a german shepherd breeder their dog is the best. And we all point fingers at what breed is the worse and can't be trusted. In reality it's the owners who set the stage for what their dog will be become. All these laws popping up against dangerous breeds some breeders are well it's not my breed just the pitbulls or not my breed just the rottweilers, or not my breed just the dobermans. SOme of us even when we see another breed attack or hurt someone we have a sigh of relief as to say "At least it wasn't my breed" In all actuality we need to satrt banning together to educate and team up with owners and breeders of other working or protection breeds so that when they come for their breed they come to our aid so when they come for our breed we are their for them. If not we will all be walking around with poodles in the future and all so called dangerous breeds will be banned.

I'm not saying sell your views on any dog it's just we have to make a allied front to preserve the right to won and breed protective breeds form Dobermand, to Mals, To Rottwielers to American Bulldogs to whatever because that's what they do they ban together at congress and on the streets and everyday add another breed to their list so that they can make sure they stay allied. I'm not a gun owner but the NRA did the same thing when they started going after small gun dealers and dealerships, owners and sellers they formed the NRA to protect the rights of all gun owners. Can't we start a united from amongst dog owners of working and protection breeds that the nest time they want to add a Rottie to the list all the other dog owners come to our aid to stop it and we come to their aid as well instead of talking bad about another breed or saying "Well thank goodness it wasn't my breed, or it's not my breed so why should I care" We should all care and start now we can stop these dog nazi's now before it gets worse if we just come together and come to everyones aid as well as educate owners of all breeds and to stomp out puppy mills. I'm not sure if this poem is right but I think it goes like this.

They came for the Indians, I wasn't indian so I didn't speak up
They came for the jews I wasn't jews I so I didn't speak up.
They came for the African Americans I wasn't AFrican AMerican so I didn't speak up.
They came fo rthe spanish I wasn't spanish so I didn't speak up.
Then they came for me and their was no one left to speak for me.

I bring this all up because their have been so many people uniting to get rid of what they call dangerous breeds and when we let them add one breed then they add another and another. They push for people who own these breeds to have more insurance, get kicked out of dog parks, banned from owning a dog without having it muszzled and we don't stand together we just hope they don't come after our breed. Well they are and all the others as well and they are united not divided. Let's try and ban together to save all working and protective breeds. Once they find out we're banning together it'lkl be allot harder for them to get what they want next time they want to ban our breed or any others. I'll await comments.

[Leader]

Bigwright,

You may be wright:D in what you say. We should stick together and yes ;) I want others to be there when they come to take me away! But, I think to be honest that the problem is not with ANY specific breed, it's more with the lack of ethics on the part of so called professional and BYbreeders. It's true the Dobe is a bit sensitive and skittish. But it's not the breed's fault. It's the fault of the breeders who don't do their jobs by 'stabilizing' the true working dog"s temperament, qualities, and what have you. Mals have been bred for the last few years not to say decades;) with work in mind have have become working 'machines'! The ones breed for beauty are another kettle of fish altogether; So, the problem does lie with us, dog fanciers but also and to a great extent with the irresponsible breeders who don't give a hoot about dog character . I just adore rotts and it makes me sick to see what is/has been done with them.:( Whe I see this humongous, what they call ROYAL rotts here (150lbs and over) that can hardly move and are dog aggressive...but are considered beautiful.....
Oh well.
We do need to stick together, if only for the wonderful dogs that we all love:D

[TrishB]

You are completely correct BIGWRIGHT! :)

I have always been very careful to note that although a breed might not be right for me, they're a perfect fit for someone else.

Personally, I would never own a Siberian Husky. But I know of a couple who are seriously active hikers! Their Sib. is a perfect match for them! He can take the colder temperatures they often encounter, has the stamina he needs and isn't so large to impede his own movement. PERFECT!

Every breed developed to serve a purpose - just because that purpose doesn't match you, doesn't mean that it won't match someone else!

I think it's time for our respective Kennel Clubs to take a leadership role. Currently, they only track purebreds and show points. For the average pet owner, they'll never encounter the AKC or CKC. I don't know about you, but if I was asked to 'help' or to 'participate', I would! But that day will never come because our Kennel Clubs don't seem interested in expanding their roles.

Maybe we need to establish a new association "The International Dog Owners Association" which will act on the behalf of all breeds; which will stand and represent everyone against puppy mills, abuse, breed bans, dog ownership education, dog mauling support, etc.

Who would be interested??? Without participation, we'll be at a loss without it. If you aren't willing to say yes now, you might as well support banning breeds. Silence = Acceptance.

[ILoveRotts]

The funny thing about that is doesn't that breeder know the history of Dobies?

The were breed from Rottweilers.

And in the 80's Dobies had the reputation that Rotts have today.

Funny how times change.

[MybabyZeus]

I feel like I can voice my opinion here because I was raised with Dobermans my whole childhood. My family bred them. Dobermans are a great breed. I would not own one for my own reasons.I have to agree that they have been bred and bred and bred. The tempermants are not what they use to be, and that goes for Rotties, pits and every other pure bred out there. Personally, I've seen to many dobs bite to many kids. And with two young children, I couldn't take the risk. But if I didn't have kids, I would have a doberman. They are great dogs, smart, funny, lovable and they are very protective of their owners. Do I think rotts are better? HECK YEAH!
(big smile). Like you said, everyone feels that their breed is the best.

This whole concept makes alot of sense. I'd love to be involved with helping pull everyone together.

[Homerhomer]

Yes, there are anti bsl groups and organizations, it's just they aren't strong enough, just how can they be strong when gsd owners are bashing dobermans, doberman owners are bashing rottweilers,and just about everyone is bashing pit bulls.

[scottz1]

Breeders will bash other breeds to sell their breed. It's capitalism. Doesn't make it morally correct, but they're just trying to make more money.

All of you are correct. We must stick together. Personally, I have never met a vicious pitbull, rottweiler, or doberman. I did meet a vicious golden retriever. Am I bashing goldens? Of course not. Tom Skeldon, Dog Warden for Lucas County Ohio, might be inclined to ban the breed after such an incident, though...

[JenniferLeah]

Bigwright,
How about a Dobie and a Rottie? Just kidding! Dobermans are beautiful, intelligent and loving dogs. My rottie is too! It's not just the breeders, we need to put at least 80% if not more of the blame on the OWNERS!! I was walking out of a pet store with my 110 lb baby, and a 12 year old boy looked at me and stated "you can't ever trust a Rottweiler." I couldn't believe my ears! I looked at him and told him that whomever told him that was a flat out liar. I wonder if a parent told him that-or where he heard it from. I have a neighbor who has 4 kids and a puppy. They don't talk to it, or pet it or even see it other that to throw down some food once in a while. The puppy growls at the kids and the neighbor and they wonder why! I can walk right up to the sweet thing and pet & scratch it and take it anywhere. They just don't know how to treat or take care of an animal. And if people like my neighbor get Rotties & Dobies & Pit Bulls, they are going to be mean, aggressive dogs. The poor dogs have no choice. I think we should put the owners to sleep instead of the dogs that have such a bad rap.

[Tenaj]

I hear you Big Wright. I belong to a few GSD boards where alot of the posters want the Pit Bull Terrier banned/muzzled/etc....... It is sad and so ignorant. It makes me sick to my stomach when we (with so called agressive breeds) stab eachother in the back by tearing apart eachother's breed. I was attacked viciously by a Dobe growing up. Should I hate the breed? No, in fact I still adore them. I don't have either a Rott or Dobe but own a GSD only at the current time but I still carry a great deal of admiration and love for both of those breeds and the Pit. If only ignorance could be so easy to dispel........ :(

[Karyn]

It is obvious that any dog will become vicious if it is mistreated, neglected and/or abused.. so will a child. So I propose that prospective owners and parents be psychologically evaluated - give them Minnesota, Muliphasic Personality Index test , the ink blots etc to find out their personality traits and if they are psychologically sound to care for another living creature - if they "pass" THEY will be licensed to buy a dog or have kids. That way we nip the problem at its source - controling the owner/parent not punishing the dog/kid. I know that will never happen.

[SASSY'S DAD]

Before aqquiring the rotts I now have I had a beautiful pair of red doberman's they were really wonderful dogs.They have thier own set of problems they tend to be prone to develope tumors and a little known fact is that due to the demand for big dobermans they at some point tried to breed in great dane hibrids to increase size in doing so some of the later dogs circa 1985 and on had a medical condition that was quite odd the brain kept growing after two years and the skull stopped this caused pressure on the brain and led to a multitude of problems with the breeds behaviors later in life.I found this out when a friends dog one day decided to chew it's own paw off.This was a healthy happy friendly dog that turned into a three footed viscious animal in a matter of days and was put down after a week.Do not think I dislike dobermans if I had the chance "and the room" I would have them but there is a legitimate reason for "some" of the tales of horror.I do still have documentation on this condition I will scan and send it to anyone wanting it's e-mail..

[SarasMom]

Originally posted by SASSY'S DAD
Before aqquiring the rotts I now have I had a beautiful pair of red doberman's they were really wonderful dogs.They have thier own set of problems they tend to be prone to develope tumors and a little known fact is that due to the demand for big dobermans they at some point tried to breed in great dane hibrids to increase size in doing so some of the later dogs circa 1985 and on had a medical condition that was quite odd the brain kept growing after two years and the skull stopped this caused pressure on the brain and led to a multitude of problems with the breeds behaviors later in life..

Okay, I'll bite. Where's the documentation? I don't believe this for a second. This myth about the brain outgrowing the skull has made the rounds about other breeds besides Doberman Pinschers. IMO, it is pure foolishness and one of the reasons these breed bans get passed. But if you have "documentation", let's see the goods.

[Tenaj]

I'm with you SarasMom. I remember all that crap a few years back in regards to the doberman... I think it was just a mundane excuse started by someone who didn't train and care for their dobe properly. Their dog bit them and they surely couldn't be blamed, his brain just got too big. LOL. Yeah........ Right.................

[Volunteer]

Originally posted by SASSY'S DAD
... the brain kept growing after two years and the skull stopped this caused pressure on the brain and led to a multitude of problems with the breeds behaviors later in life....I do still have documentation on this condition I will scan and send it to anyone wanting it's e-mail..

Well since you offered, please do scan it in and post it here (do a simple copy/paste). I know all of us would love to read it.

[ilikerotties]

THIS IS MY THOUGHT ON "DANGEROUS DOG BREEDS" LEGISLATORS ARE "BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE" IT IS NOT THE DOG BREED THAT IS DANGEROUS IT IS THE HUMAN HANDLING THE DOG. HUMANS SHOULD PROPERLY TRAIN THEIR DOG AND USE COMMON SENSE. JUST MY 2 CENTS WORTH. :p