Rottie + a Tosa Inu doable?

[fostermom]

Weily,
What he is telling us is that he doesn't care that much what happens to his dog...it was gotten for "protection" and that it is pleasant to have around is a perk...but many of his possessions are more important.
If he was raised on a farm, he understands the lack of wisdom in throwing two stallions together and expecting them to "get along" for six months..yet he is willing to do this with two (I strongly suspect unneutered) male dogs and if his poor judgement results in a dog fight, he is more than willing to make one of the dogs pay for it by shooting it...and he is willing to risk the life of his rotti as he's already said "it doesn't stand a chance" if attacked.
I'm done with this thread.

[Weily4Life]

Originally Posted by fostermom

Weily,
What he is telling us is that he doesn't care that much what happens to his dog...it was gotten for "protection" and that it is pleasant to have around is a perk...but many of his possessions are more important.
If he was raised on a farm, he understands the lack of wisdom in throwing two stallions together and expecting them to "get along" for six months..yet he is willing to do this with two (I strongly suspect unneutered) male dogs and if his poor judgement results in a dog fight, he is more than willing to make one of the dogs pay for it by shooting it...and he is willing to risk the life of his rotti as he's already said "it doesn't stand a chance" if attacked.
I'm done with this thread.

I am also done with this thread.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by seoultrader

Y'all need to step down a bit from the over-humanization...They do not "love" you

Being able to GRASP the concept that an animal you take into your HUMAN WORLD depends on you for their well-being is NOT overhumanization.....it's recognition, followed by conscience and compassion and respect. My dog doesn't have to "love" me for me to understand that.

Originally Posted by seoultrader

....I have a more dog-eat-dog (sorry, pun intended) attitude towrd these things...but I'm really not the cold monster y'all seem to think I am.

Oh, really? You have embraced the part of a culture that sees fit to USE and ABUSE dogs and pit them against each other as a source of Sunday entertainment...and consider that "normal" (pun intended and all) and you would like us to believe you are not the monster in this scenario?

Oh, really 2? You toy with them and set them up just because you can (throwing a cookie between two dominant male dogs to see what's gonna happen? - which one would you shoot, the winner or the loser?) and you would like us to believe you are not the monster in this scenario?

You certainly haven't convinced ME.

[kilasmamix3]

Did you just say you'd SHOOT one of the dogs?!?!?!?!?!?! What's this?!!?!?!?!?!? Dogs don't love you? Is that so? Is that why when they feel a threat they step between you and the threat? They want to keep you safe. Some dogs will even give there life for you! I know for a fact you wouldn't shoot your friends dog. So you'd be shooting YOUR dog. Do you have no feelings? I'd give my hole HOUSE up for my dogs!!!

You wanted a rott to scare away intruders? There appearence DOES make you think twice about going into that house, but if the intruder is willing to take the dog on then what are you left with? Your gun? I bet the intruder will have one too.

I think you need to re-home your dog now. You put your dogs life at risk with that test.

Dog-eat-dog? I don't think you even CARE about your dog! Mine are my life. I'd save my dogs in a heartbeat if i could. Them protecting me? I think not. It's vise ver sa...

Tosa? Your thinking about getting a female tosa now? I recomend you NOT to breed. I recomend you not to get any more dogs and strongly incourage you to re-home your rott.

Dezaree

[Jaidann]

Originally Posted by seoultrader

Umm...newsflash. They're dogs. In nature, dogs get into a scrap every once in a while. These two didn't and probably never will. If they do, then I'm sure they'll settle it among themselves, you know...like...dogs. My job's to interfere if it gets out of hand (i.e. if either dog looks like it's intending to kill the other, the gun's coming out and one dog will be shot, it's that simple).

You mean the dogs we TOOK from nature and domesticated? New breeds created for specific purposes for OUR whims, enjoyments and pleasures? Ah yes, those dogs. So lets help them out by putting them in a dangerous situation and see what happens! And if we don't like the outcome, we'll just shoot one of them. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by seoultrader

Y'all need to step down a bit from the over-humanization and remember that these are animals who perceive you only as the funny looking thing that gets them food when they do silly stuff for you. They do not "love" you, they do not have the capacity to "feel" in a capacity that we relate to, etc etc.

You sure about that? Really?

Originally Posted by seoultrader

I got a Rott because I wanted a dog that is quiet and intimidates potential home intruders. The fact that he's naturally fun to be with is a bonus and I do like the little pooch but in no way does he rank on the same level as ANY human (family or stanger) or even my higher value material belongings.

My bet is you have no idea because you don't see your dog as anything other than below your valued material possessions? Could that actually be the reason behind your view?

Originally Posted by seoultrader

What boggles my mind is that some if not most here seem to be the type that would take out a bank loan or sell a car or eat cheap food to pay/save for vet bills. Priorities, folks. Don't be the crazy cat lady of the dog owner world.

What boggles my mind is people who don't take the responsibility of owning a pet seriously. They did not ASK to be here with any of us. For the most part. We own them because we want that special relationship with them and they aren't disposable. Since we took ON the responsibility it is up to us to do what we agreed to do when we took them in and take CARE of them. Of course, we could always shoot them when they become too much of a hassle *shrugs*.

Originally Posted by seoultrader

Maybe it's because I grew up on a farm with so many different animals (loads of dogs as well) that I have a more dog-eat-dog (sorry, pun intended) attitude towrd these things...but I'm really not the cold monster y'all seem to think I am.

Rubbish. I grew up on a very large farm. I'd venture to guess a good portion of the posters here have as well or were at least exposed to them. I have no "dog-eat-dog" attitude. If anything, I learned to respect them MORE than someone who never had that type of life.

I actually feel sorry for you. You seem to think these dogs are nothing more than a decoration. It is sad you'll never ever figure it out. However my heart goes out to your dog, who will only be in the receiving end of a very painful outcome should the worst happen. I pray, for him, it does not.

[SABELLESMOM]

Let this thread go, gang. The OP and his imbicile friend have not come here for information. Encourage them no further. They are behaving like callous, crude idiots or trolls. Either way, they are not worth the effort of a sensible response, as they just keep digging the hole deeper and deeper and the $h!t keeps flowing into it.

I will not return to this thread again. The "dog eat dog" comment was over the top for me! I need to associate myself with people I can respect, and it isn't the OP +1.

[kilasmamix3]

Yeah, SABELLESMOM. I will keep returning to this thread, but not replying. If she wants to shoot her dog, that's her/his choice. It's none of our bissnuss how this person likes to act, shooting dogs? That's terrible. That's like shooting my child..!

This OP really shouldn't have a dog, it's probably from a BYB because i don't think that a CEO breeder would let this person have a rottweiler..

Would they like it if we through a cookie in between them and a sumo wrestler? Ugh. This person is unbelieveable. I can't stand it.

I feel bad when that tosa kills your rottweiler... I highly doubt you won't even care, or burry him in the yard, just put him in a plastic bag and throw him out right? That's how it seems.

Bye, i'm done with this thread.

Dezaree

[seoultrader]

Originally Posted by Marley55

I am sensing some enjoyment from you in all the responses you have received and it seems to me, just like long ago we baited the bulls with fertile cows when they were on the way to the breeding shed, you are baiting the board with your cold and callous comments.

*Sigh*...sorry to disappoint, but trolling internet boards doesn't pay the bills. However, you are right in the sense that this will produce no further useful advice in regard to my decision (I was really looking for some tips about how to construct a sturdy kennel, best materials, designs etc) so I'll bow out of this discussion and leave you good folks to continue your tantrums. Toodles~

[moondog]

Originally Posted by seoultrader

However, you are right in the sense that this will produce no further useful advice in regard to my decision (I was really looking for some tips about how to construct a sturdy kennel, best materials, designs etc)

Oh, really 3? Maybe you should read your own post again - I've bolded the only questions I found.....could you point out the one asking for tips on the material and design of a sturdy kennel?

And, golly gee.....if all you wanted were plans for a kennel, why the need for a cookie tossing experiment between the dogs?

Originally Posted by seoultrader

Hi there,

I have a 1 yr old male Rott who is totally mellow and am about to take in a friend's 3 yr old Tosa Inu for a period of 6 months, who is also pretty much chill. They play together occasionally and get along well in the sense that they more or less stay out of each other's way but they'll never be tight friends.

Question - the Tosa (near 180lb) is huge, a lot bigger than my Rott (100 lb) and all muscle and I have no doubt that he'd tear him apart if it ever came to a fight (no way I'd step in if that ever happened, I ain't suicidal). Should I be very worried about this possibly happening once they live totgether or will they likely get along without much fuss they way they have been?

How do Rotts, be they professionally trained in SchH etc or just couchy house dogs, generally behave around dogs that are physically superior to them?

Like I said, this is only for 6 months while my friend is going overseas for work.


I guess in Korea they're used as 'fighting' dogs, but it seems the fights are more ritual pushing/wrestling matches than bloody tear ups, which I think is somewhat acceptable...different cultures have different traditions after all.

[seoultrader]

I meant after the one poster made the comments about enclosure strength, duh.

[Tihanna]

I think the answer is obvious, but I HIGHLY doubt this person will listen. Period. I don't even know why you would ask for our opinion if you've "already given your word" and aren't willing to take it back?

In my honest opinion, I think this is an example of poor dog ownership... this should have NEVER been decided upon without first doing research on the "doability" of the situation.

This is TROUBLE waiting to happen and I truly already feel HORRIBLE for the poor Rotti who will undoubtably suffer in this situation.

Not to mention, the Tosa is ALREADY stressed out because it's "master" isn't around and they are living in a strange house, given commands by a differeny person, living with a dog he only "tolerates" but he will be locked up in a room, only to see the other dog loose for vice versa?!

OUCH IS ALL I CAN SAY...

[Tihanna]

Originally Posted by seoultrader

Update

So yesterday my pal came over for a few beers and we let the two dogs out in the yard and as usual, they didn't hang around each other, each flopping down in different corners and snoring away.

We decided to give it a test. I got a big dog cookie and threw mid-line between the two. Rott sloooowly gets up, starts slowly shuffling toward the cookie. Tosa suddenly jumps up and runs toward Rott/cookie. Tosa plows into Rott just as Rott arrives, knocking him on his ass and devours cookie.

Rott starts his "You just made a big mistake, dude" bark, Tosa ignores but stands his ground. Rott slaps Tosa with his paw, Tosa jumps on him and pins him. No teeth involved at any point, but lots of scary growling.

After 30 secs they're both panting and flop down, this time near each other.

30 Min later threw another treat near the middle and this time the Rott got it cuz I guess he's figured out he better get there fast. Tosa realizes cookie gone and flops back down.

All in all both dogs were together 5 hours off leash, 2 hours of which were more or less unsupervised when my friend and I went inside to watch a game.

Not worried anymore, the Tosa's just as chill as the Rott and I'll build the outside enclosure with high tensile materials for unsupervised times.

It was actually quite interesting to watch the Tosa's technique, almost like a human wrestler. Rott never had a chance. Thinking about maybe getting one of these (female of course...would make for mad cool puppies...I guess' they'd be 'Rosas', lol...nah, too wimpy)

Just justify's the fact that I think you are a terrible owner... how dare you risk either dogs life by "experimenting" ....

you should be ashamed of yourself,...

[poohbearsmom]

Originally Posted by seoultrader

Hi there,

I have a 1 yr old male Rott who is totally mellow and am about to take in a friend's 3 yr old Tosa Inu for a period of 6 months, who is also pretty much chill. They play together occasionally and get along well in the sense that they more or less stay out of each other's way but they'll never be tight friends.

Question - the Tosa (near 180lb) is huge, a lot bigger than my Rott (100 lb) and all muscle and I have no doubt that he'd tear him apart if it ever came to a fight (no way I'd step in if that ever happened, I ain't suicidal). Should I be very worried about this possibly happening once they live totgether or will they likely get along without much fuss they way they have been?

How do Rotts, be they professionally trained in SchH etc or just couchy house dogs, generally behave around dogs that are physically superior to them?

Like I said, this is only for 6 months while my friend is going overseas for work.


I guess in Korea they're used as 'fighting' dogs, but it seems the fights are more ritual pushing/wrestling matches than bloody tear ups, which I think is somewhat acceptable...different cultures have different traditions after all.

Unlike with male humans, with male dogs, size doesn't matter. Just ask any Jack Russell Terrier you meet.

[BeauandShan]

Sorry people but I am sure this OP is getting a kick out of this he has no intentions of listening to anything any RESPONSIBLE owner has to say.

He isnt worth the time taken to write the response

[JoJo]

I have a novel idea. You said that you have a good size "plot" in the backyard to build a kennel.......use that "plot" to bury your dog. Start digging, for it won't be long before you're going to need it.

You gotta love a good troll.......