"Selective" Aggression problem

[moondog]

Originally Posted by ZYNE

I am personally not in favor of this method either and that's about the only place where the wife and I differ. I usually kneel down on the floor and put the puppy between my legs in a sitting position. I put my right hand on the collar and my left on her chest. That calms her down whenever I need to get her to chill.

That's precisely the right way to do it. You are firmly but gently restraining the puppy and allowing her to remain upright. A BIG difference from how your wife is trying to handle her. Hence the big difference in the end result, too...

Perhaps you should work with your wife and show her what you are doing that works for the puppy. It would also be helpful for her to attend puppy classes (and will do the puppy a WORLD of good, too).

[jlhnokc]

And have your wife get on these forums and read...The more she reads, I bet the more she changes her mind about the alpha rolling. You don't want your puppy to work for you out of fear, you want your puppy to work for you out of respect.

[Shelby427]

And you need to make sure there is CONSISTENCY in the household, or none of the methods will work with either one of you. It's just confusing to the puppy. I'm glad to hear forcing her to the ground is not something YOU do, but you need to get your wife on board as well.

Get enrolled in puppy K classes too and continue with classes for a couple of years.

[ZYNE]

Originally Posted by moondog

That's precisely the right way to do it. You are firmly but gently restraining the puppy and allowing her to remain upright. A BIG difference from how your wife is trying to handle her. Hence the big difference in the end result, too...

Perhaps you should work with your wife and show her what you are doing that works for the puppy. It would also be helpful for her to attend puppy classes (and will do the puppy a WORLD of good, too).

I've been teasing her for about 3 weeks saying the puppy is easier to train than she is LOL! She took what my breeder told us entirely too much to heart in my opinion, why she did is beyond me after reading the previously mentioned CONSTRUCTIVE input :)

[ZYNE]

Shelby, thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE input yet again.

I have asked her not to perform these rolls in the past and I'm unclear why she did but I'm most certainly going to find out why she was today.
Consistency like you said is key, I know this and am doing what I can to get that through my wife's head. She is probably the most pigheaded, stubborn woman, correction, person, I've ever met in my life, that's the biggest problem I'm faced with right now.
Unlike some people think I've actually been around dogs more than 8 weeks of my life (but thank you for belittling me in the fashion it was done, speaks more of the person in question than me actually) and have NEVER had much of an issue.
I'll be the FIRST to admit I'm new to Rotts and have never raised one before and the snarling/aggression phase we went through threw me for a loop and a half.
Obviously I have an idea of what I'm doing since she minds me like there's no tomorrow, that's not the issue here.
I think the issue at hand has been WELL explained and I realize as I get more information from the home front as well, a picture is starting to form here.

[brunie's mom]

Sounds like you have been watching too much of the Dog Whisperer. Don't forget this is entertainment...and Cesar is laughing all the way to the bank.

I would suggest your wife get enrolled in Puppy classes that teach with positive methods. That you work on touching feet three or 4 time a day...give a command each time you are planning to touch her feet. Our snow is just starting to melt here and we are starting to get into the mucky season...I have a doggie here that does not like his feet touched or wiped....when we come back from our walk...he sees the towel and is told "foot up" and has to stand politely while being wiped...then get's a treat for being good...and praise. We don't wrestle or roll or anything. They don't have to love it....but they have to learn to tolerate it.

Have you started clipping her nails yet? This is also something that may be a stuggle when you have a pup that does not like feet being touched. I would also suggest you do nail clipping every week....even if there is nothing to clip...just touch the clippers to the nails...and make sure she learns to tolerate it.

She sounds like a great pup...these are all things that you have to get through with patience and training.

Gina

[ZYNE]

Originally Posted by lblax

lets see theyve already nilif'ed the dog to death they have been doing ongoing alpha rolls and they believe that a 12 week old puppy is aggressive now its time they let the puppy be a puppy and in case anyone else hasnt noticed the op posted and has done every single thing (almost ) that you shouldnt do with a pup

I could've sworn I asked you to just not reply to this post again .. your input is about as wanted as a hemorroid at this point.

She is NOT NILIF:ed to death but I do expect her to sit before I feed her because I don't want to get jumped on and drop the food on her, sorry, I didn't realize I was being a "bad parent" for that. I also expect her to sit before I take her out, that way she walks out AFTER me, I'm sure you'll find something wrong there too.

Ongoing alpha rolls? I think you need to stop smoking whatever is in that glass pipe of yours, that is not the case and NOT what was stated when I started this thread, get your facts right. Maybe you need a pad of paper so you can take notes before you reply, it may do you some good.
No, I don't think she's aggressive, I don't see any of this behavior as I stated. Again I must refer you back to the pad of paper and a pen for more notes prior to replying.

I will allow you a reply without considering a complete and utter waste of carbon based matter if you can aswer, IN A CONSTRUCTIVE FASHION, how I am not allowing my pup to be a pup. Feel free to elaborate on how her average day is since you apparently THINK you know more about it than I do ... You are actually the one with an aggression problem, not the dog .. that's painfully clear LOL!

[lblax]

Originally Posted by ZYNE

If you want to let a puppy that is ATTACKING your hand be a puppy, feel free. Next time you reply you can do that with your bloody stumps.

Do me a favor, next time you feel like replying to a post of mine, don't. I have no interest in your opinions from here on out.

1st of all your puppy was never attacking you and outside of the fear reaction your pup had from the roll. at 12 weeks your pup is basically not capable of aggression you are simply going through what every working dog pup owner goes through and you must take care of this

am doing what I can to get that through my wife's head. She is probably the most pigheaded, stubborn woman, correction, person, I've ever met in my life, that's the biggest problem I'm faced with right now.

if you cant get her to realize what needs to be done you will certainly ruin the pup.

[ZYNE]

Originally Posted by brunie's mom

Sounds like you have been watching too much of the Dog Whisperer. Don't forget this is entertainment...and Cesar is laughing all the way to the bank.

I would suggest your wife get enrolled in Puppy classes that teach with positive methods. That you work on touching feet three or 4 time a day...give a command each time you are planning to touch her feet. Our snow is just starting to melt here and we are starting to get into the mucky season...I have a doggie here that does not like his feet touched or wiped....when we come back from our walk...he sees the towel and is told "foot up" and has to stand politely while being wiped...then get's a treat for being good...and praise. We don't wrestle or roll or anything. They don't have to love it....but they have to learn to tolerate it.

Have you started clipping her nails yet? This is also something that may be a stuggle when you have a pup that does not like feet being touched. I would also suggest you do nail clipping every week....even if there is nothing to clip...just touch the clippers to the nails...and make sure she learns to tolerate it.

She sounds like a great pup...these are all things that you have to get through with patience and training.

Gina

Gina,

As I said in a prior post, TV is not my thing and I think I've caught a grand total of 3-4 of his shows in the past year or so. I'm an active outdoors type person, not a lazy slob with an over worked right hand thumb *laughs* He's definitely laughing all the way to the bank, he's making a killing with his "stuff".
The calm assertive comment, while fitting to his show, was something my skydiving mentor taught me as part of dealing with high speed parachute malfunctions, not raising a dog LOL! Trust me, the last thing you want to do when falling at 120+ mph is losing it so he always taught calm is key and assertiveness is how you save your life. Believe me, if you are wishy washy, skydiving is not a sport for you LOL!!!!!
With that said, that is how I am as a person, unless I'm dealing with ignorant morons in which case I get mad .. I think I lose some intelligence when exposed to that stuff or something LOL!

As far as her paws goes,the dog adapted the side roll, not me. I tried lifting them while seated and each time I did she plopped over on her side for me. Sometimes she will roll on to her back to get a quick belly rub as well.
I will however incorporate your suggestions starting this evening when I get back to the house. She definitely needs to learn to do this upright and this is the best time to teach her assuming that doesn't go against some peoples belief that she's not allowed to be a puppy if she's being taught something LOL!

[ZYNE]

Originally Posted by lblax

1st of all your puppy was never attacking you and outside of the fear reaction your pup had from the roll. at 12 weeks your pup is basically not capable of aggression you are simply going through what every working dog pup owner goes through and you must take care of this if you cant get her to realize what needs to be done you will certainly ruin the pup.

First out, thank you for how you replied this time, this I can respect and take in and reply to without the need for smartazz remarks :-)

While I did use the word attack, it was not the correct meaning and I used the word incorrectly. How about "Struck" or "bit", does that say it better?? I'm sure you get my drift here.

You are correct in your statements ... as much as I want to admit it *grumble* LOL! All joking aside, you have good points there ... they need to be acted upon!

[mamamia1]

Originally Posted by ZYNE

Consistency like you said is key, I know this and am doing what I can to get that through my wife's head. She is probably the most pigheaded, stubborn woman, correction, person, I've ever met in my life, that's the biggest problem I'm faced with right now.

I just listened to an interview with a lady who studied the use of positive reinforcement training methods used on animals and she had been doing experiments on her husband, without him knowing, and it worked fabulously! LOL

[moondog]

Originally Posted by ZYNE

You are correct in your statements ... as much as I want to admit it *grumble* LOL! All joking aside, you have good points there ... they need to be acted upon!

You know what? I TRULY admire you for this. lblax can without a doubt be a bitter pill to swallow, but he does know what he's talking about. (well, most of the time, LOL!) Good on you.

Now.....if we can just get your wife on board here with the puppy raising techniques, I predict a beautiful future for you, your wife, and especially (because my heart is with) the little black and tan rascal you are raising. In my experience, you won't find a better dog than a well-raised, well-trained, solid tempered Rottweiler....they are worth every ounce of effort put into them.

[ZYNE]

Originally Posted by mamamia1

I just listened to an interview with a lady who studied the use of positive reinforcement training methods used on animals and she had been doing experiments on her husband, without him knowing, and it worked fabulously! LOL

Bwahahaha ... I'll have to adapt that to the wife but I just don't think she will take to the liver treats I feed Ammi very well ... LOL!

[moondog]

Originally Posted by mamamia1

I just listened to an interview with a lady who studied the use of positive reinforcement training methods used on animals and she had been doing experiments on her husband, without him knowing, and it worked fabulously! LOL

Do a google search on Tag Teach - clicker concepts are now being used very effectively for teaching athletes, children, and adults. Maybe we can try it on ZYNE'S beloved second half!

[ZYNE]

Originally Posted by moondog

You know what? I TRULY admire you for this. lblax can without a doubt be a bitter pill to swallow, but he does know what he's talking about. (well, most of the time, LOL!) Good on you.

Now.....if we can just get your wife on board here with the puppy raising techniques, I predict a beautiful future for you, your wife, and especially (because my heart is with) the little black and tan rascal you are raising. In my experience, you won't find a better dog than a well-raised, well-trained, solid tempered Rottweiler....they are worth every ounce of effort put into them.

Thanks :-) I don't mind bitter pills I can be one myself sometimes. I just don't appreciate being targeted and accused of stuff that lacks reality attachment to some or great extent. Plus, if someone is here to LEARN, you probably would do better responding with a different attitude or you teach that new comer using fear ... apply that to puppies instead .. would we want to raise them that way!? NO! :P

Rotts are great dogs, there's no doubt about that. I've been around the adult ones on and off the last 10 years though none of them have been mine until now. They have a calm and a certain ... majestic thing about them that just appeal to me, always have.

I'm positive this is nothing but a bump in the road and we'll move on from here on to greener pastures so to speak ... hey, I live in ohio ... wait ... more yellow corn fields ... :-)