My Rott is peeing on me!

[moz205]

Originally Posted by tiphrehb

This is a ridculus conversation a small bop on the nose to get your dogs attention is completly accetable how many parents have given there child a quick swat on the butt and we are talking about dogs not children even though some people seem to think they are dont get me wrong i love my dog to death and he is not scared of me or anyone for that matter shows no aggression and is completly loyal im so sick of so many people thinking they know everything just because they read a book everyone needs to quit being so ignorant and thinking they know everythin and being argumentive this forum is to help people not to lecture start arguments etc offer your advice dont bash others advice and to moz205 to insult another dog owner and dog is not nice nor freindly it just shows your ignorance and intolerance for others

Again, not listening. Basically you don't want to learn. He is still a puppy in Rottie land. I didn't read a book or watch a video, I go to a well known dog trainer who has trained dogs, cats and even a wolf- yep, full fledged wolf for a movie. I seriously doubt you have a history of professional training and if you have, you haven't learned anything.
As far as insulting other owners, YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT! I've done it in person too when they were beating their dogs, tying them up for hours out in the heat. I have enough friends thank you. Yes, I am extremely intolerant with anyone that doesn't want to learn even when such educated people with many years under their belt are willing to give proper advice.

[Skip]

I think the one poster used a bad choice of words...something about "beating the sh__ out of the dog". I wouldn't strike a dog in the face...but there were a couple times (just 2) that I needed to give an immediate strong correction...once when Shane was off leash in my yard..a couple of dogs came out of nowhere on my property and jumped him..after a couple quick bites from shane they took off, but Shane was bound and determined to chase them down. I lifted his front up with one hand under his neck, he was still STRONGLY struggling to get to them, and I whacked his butt once with my free hand because he was still in fight mode. It's EXTREMELY rare that I would ever need to do this, but a single smack on the butt in a very tense situation (if there is no collar and leash on) is not always completely out of line...it's not a "pattern" and it won't ruin the dog for life if it's a real emergency...

[maddieandmason]

Originally Posted by Leige

No I am not kidding leanershnitzel. One way and the only way to correct this behavior is a very good hard slap upside the head along with a very harsh correction. Ever hear the saying 1st time shame on you 2nd time shame on me, well there would not be a second time...

Are you for real?????

That is the wrong way, and if you do that to your dog, then you should not be allowed to own any pets what so ever!!!!!

Positive training is what they need!

[maddieandmason]

Originally Posted by Leige

I have to laugh at some of you folks. Before you reply go back to the beginning and start re-reading. I think alot of you or I will say most of you all are reading between the lines and thinking what you wanna think. I dont ever recall saying that I hit my dog, severly reprimanded yes but that doesnt mean hit.What I say and what I do are 2 different things......

Then you are also giving out wrong advice.

[jdrsy]

Originally Posted by poohbearsmom

Knocking the living crap out of a 6mos old dog is not a good idea.Learning how to be a benevolent leader is.

Old school is called old school for a reason. I believe in corrections, corrections should be fair and humane and logical. Yes, this young boy should be corrected, but hitting is not acceptable, IMHO. This person needs education desperately, and offering advice to strike a young dog is dangerous advice. If hitting a dog is the best advice you can give, Leige, I feel sorry for your dogs.

I just want to say a couple things. First, I agree that more then a verbal command/leash correction should be given. When my children were little, if they did things they were not supposed to, they got a swat on the behind. I treat my dogs the same. I'm not saying to beat the crap out of the pup, but I also don't agree constant treats and redirecting work either.

I took the advice written in these forums when my pup was biting like crazy. You guys suggested constant re-directing, which I tried, over and over and over again. It continued to get worse. I almost gave the pup back. Then I started reading some great training advice, and a "cuff" to the body of a dog mocks the same feeling another dog would give the pup for correction, and you know what?? Within the day, the biting was almost completly gone. It worked when my kids used it as well. The pup no longer chases them and bites them. The pup doesn't whine or cry when we correct him this way. He just stops, looks up, and sits down waiting for us to tell him what we want him to do. He's an angel now. You just cup your hand like you are going to drink out of it, and "cuff" him with it. Not hard, just swift, as soon as he bites.

I wouldn't raise my kids bribing them with ice cream and soda to behave, and I won't with my pup either.

[jdrsy]

I have to disagree with a lot of this. I have a pup that I posted on here looking for some advice on biting. He was causing a lot of stress for both my children and I. You guys said two things over and over again. Redirect (could take months) and putting him in puppy classes. I did both, to no avail. He is still in his classes, but the redirecting did nothing, in fact, it seemed to get worse.

I talk to multiple trainers, did a lot of online research, and tried EVERYTHING. The one thing I found that worked was "cuffing." Basically, it is supposed to emulate the same feeling a pup will get when being corrected by another dog. Simply put, you cup your hand like you would if you were drinking from it, and give them a firm "cuff." It's not hitting, or beating, your pup, it's correcting them. Since I have begun using this, the pup has almost completely stopped biting. It doesn't hurt the pup, and I've tried it on myself and my kids. The pup has even stopped chasing and biting the kids with them doing this.

And no, he doesn't shy away, he doesn't act scared, he doesn't hide. He sits down, and waits for us to tell him what he needs to do next.

The way I see it, when my children where little, and they misbehaved, they got a firm swat on the behind. I didn't bribe my kids with ice cream and candy to behave, they learned what was right and wrong through correction. The don't fear me, they respect and love me, same as my dog does.

And I'm not sure how you validate yourselves by saying that a leash correction is better. It pulls and strains the dogs neck, and is just as startling as a firm "cuff." They understand a leash correction no more then they would understand words. I think everyone has gone overboard on trying to treat their dogs with nothing but love and bribery. A dog needs firm guidance and correction, the same as he would get in his pack. The pack doesn't bribe with treats, or a leash, they put the pup in it's place right away.

[kilasmamix3]

Okay look. I did nothing more then a SLIGHT TAP on the butt with my dogs. ONCE! Because they had bit me. It's not like i beat them down "old school style" or "beat the sh__ outa them" i love my girls. They are my babies!

No, my dogs have no fear in me whatsoever and respect me dearly. They are little angles. But; i would NEVER hit bop tap or do anything to a puppy! My dogs are full grown.

Hitting is not the way to go.

My dogs listen to me as soon as i say NO or LEAVE IT! They have never once not listened to my command.

[Anne]

Originally Posted by tiphrehb

This is a ridculus conversation a small bop on the nose to get your dogs attention is completly accetable how many parents have given there child a quick swat on the butt and we are talking about dogs not children even though some people seem to think they are dont get me wrong i love my dog to death and he is not scared of me or anyone for that matter shows no aggression and is completly loyal im so sick of so many people thinking they know everything just because they read a book everyone needs to quit being so ignorant and thinking they know everythin and being argumentive this forum is to help people not to lecture start arguments etc offer your advice dont bash others advice and to moz205 to insult another dog owner and dog is not nice nor freindly it just shows your ignorance and intolerance for others

You show an appalling lack of knowledge. Dogs are not children, they don't speak english or any other language except dog language. Maybe you need to read a few books to learn about dog training.

You might take your own advice and don't bash other who clearly show they understand a lot more about dog training than yourself. Read over your post again and see who is insulting, unfriendly and showing ignorance and intolerance. Open your eyes and your mind. Read the forum and learn.

[tiphrehb]

I do not pretend to know everthing nor do I but i do know what works i still dont think it has been made clear what i mean by a bop on the nose my love pats are way harder which he loves. the bop iam talking about is nothing more than an attention grabber and even then has only been used maybe 5 times his whole life and yes i have been rude but i was not the first maybe i should calm down a little but it does make me upset that so many people think they know so much and that they are correct and no one else is I have personaly met several personal trainers dogs and they were terrible Iam upset that they even make money training dogs does this mean most dog trainers are bad no does his mean most dog owners are bad no not at all all iam saying is it seems like there are people out there that have very strong opinions and are intolerant of others opinions many times not even followoing there own advice. every one seems to think they are the dog whisperer (lol) I realy hate this online talking because i bet many arguments could be resolved by actually seeing each others dogs and seeing how they interact

[TrinaJ]

Originally Posted by tiphrehb
This is a ridculus conversation a small bop on the nose to get your dogs attention is completly accetable how many parents have given there child a quick swat on the butt and we are talking about dogs not children even though some people seem to think they are dont get me wrong i love my dog to death and he is not scared of me or anyone for that matter shows no aggression and is completly loyal im so sick of so many people thinking they know everything just because they read a book everyone needs to quit being so ignorant and thinking they know everythin and being argumentive this forum is to help people not to lecture start arguments etc offer your advice dont bash others advice and to moz205 to insult another dog owner and dog is not nice nor freindly it just shows your ignorance and intolerance for others

We are speaking of hitting a puppy....would you hit a baby? Its the same thing. Dogs and children are not born knwing what we want, they are taught it, its not bashed into them, its taught! Patience and patience and more patience along with training and a firm voice is what you need. I have a 5 month old puppy (3 days off), have i hit her, NO. Have i taught her, YES. Did it take a while, yes. She now knows what is tolerated and what is not.

You are correct on one point though, this IS a ridiculous conversation, speaking about hitting puppies is just imbecilic and foolish. Respect and trust are earned you wont get that by beating a puppy. Remember puppies grow into dogs, BIG DOGS and they may not like it anymore.

[TrinaJ]

I am respectfully asking the administrators to close this thread, it has gone way off topic and is starting to get a little ugly.

Thanks,

Trina

[tiphrehb]

Wow you are a prime example of what i have been talking about intolerant unhelpful rude ignorant know it all jesus H christ iam not talking about hitting a dog what about that do u not get no wonder why public opinion of these dogs are bad people like you seem to think they know everything and guess what it pisses people off that kind of attitude not just me but anyone either particpate in the freakin disscusin or shut the up

[tiphrehb]

I agree this is ridiculus it is actualy making me say things i dont want to if i knew how to do that i would thank you trina

[Scout]

Originally Posted by tiphrehb

jesus H christ

Jesus has nothing to do with you being a rude individual to a long time and informative helpful member here.

And BTW:

Wow you are a prime example of what I have been talking about(period) Intolerant unhelpful rude ignorant know it all (period) Jesus H Christ - I am not talking about hitting a dog (period) What about that do you not get (period) No wonder why public opinion of these dogs are (is) bad (period) People like you seem to think they know everything and guess what(question mark) It pisses people off (period) That kind of attitude (dash) not just me (dash) but anyone either particpate(s) in the freakin disscusin (sp) or shut the (missing word) up

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