agression towards female 11 week old pitt getting better

[damien07]

Originally Posted by moz205

Big trouble brewing here if they are indeed the "responsible" ones.

wwhy is this big trouble?

[jlaack]

okay well the first dog that he was aggressive towards was because that dog would do nothing but growl at him and go after him so obviously hes gunna attack back because hes using self defense and the second dog we dont know why hes attacked her and he hasnt done it in a week.

This is no excuse for a dog to respond with an attack and it is something that should've been diffused right away. If you think it is okay for him to attack a dog that growls than either your dog, someone elses dog or even a human will likely be injured in the future. The fact that it hasn't happened in a week doesn't mean anything. Nothing was done to correct this behavior and your dog isn't going to learn an appropriate behavior unless you teach him one which is why you need the help of a trainer.

and we are only 16 years old so obviously we dont have the money for obedience classes right now, and if we did we wouldnt be asking for advice on here he would be in the classes.

At 16 you have no business owning a Rottweiler, period. Does the dog belong to an adult? If you don't have money for obedience classes than you need to give up the dog--period. Wisconsin Rottweiler Rescue is located a couple hours from you and I would be more than happy to talk to the person in charge about your dog and pick him up. If you can't afford classes you cannot afford emergency vet bills, good quality food, the fines that are likely to occur if you don't train your dog working through a qualified trainer. As far as the forum, I have replied to you before saying you need to really read through the posts on aggression to realize what lies ahead if you don't get into obedience classes now. Most of us have the trainer in place and go regularly but we use the forum to bounce either ideas off each other.

and he is protected over brandons brother's female pitt. he has already tried snipping at a kid for treating the pitt wrong but we controlled him and yelled at the kid for it too.

This behavior is completely unacceptable. Thinking that your Rott is justified in snapping at a kid while "protecting" anything is absurd. The fact that he backed off in the end means nothing. What about next time when he doesn't?? Or when he is older, stronger and more confident in his leadership position over yours?

I noticed in your photos one showed an unaltered dog. Please tell me your dog has been neutured.

You need to get serious about the liability you have with this dog. As things are progessing your dog will continue on a course of bad behavior with disasterous consequences bound to happen. BSL exists in pockets around you. This breed does not need anymore bad publicity. As I said I know the people at Wisconsin Rottweiler Rescue quite well and I am sure they would take your dog. I was recently at a fundraiser for the group in Brookfield and the dogs she places go to GOOD homes with owners that have had Rottweilers for years and have the money and time to care for them properly.

I am sending you a list of your responsibilities as a dog owner per laws in Kenosha, WI.
KCDHS - Division of Health - Environmental Health - Animal Control

Here is one on the list: Never allow your dog to intimidate, attack, or threaten another pet or person.

[jlaack]

ok look every one yes we are 16 and 17 years old yes we our the owners of this dog yes our parents know what is going because they are there and see it. he is not in OB classes yet because after our parents have paid for food toys shots ect plus bills and rent and things that people need we just dont have the money for it at this time.

Somehow I missed a couple of Damien07's replies. So if your parents are on a strict budget (which I understand) and they are reading these posts what they need to know is that this dog is a liability. If obedience classes aren't affordable now, will the fines incurred when the dog misbehaves affordable? If your parents don't have insurance covering a dog attack will the potential law suit be affordable? Will the eviction from your residence be affordable? These are all things that are very likely to happen if obedience classes aren't made the highest priority right now. I recommended a trainer to you about 25 minutes away in Oak Creek. They offer a kids and k9 class but for liability your parents would have to take the dog through basic obedience first before you could train your dog at the facility.

To the parents reading this I think giving up your dog is your best option. It doesn't matter if the dog belong's to the kids; ultimately you are the adults and liable for every action by the dog.

To the kids you don't buy an animal that you can't afford and say when we have jobs we will... You get the job first and then when you can afford it you get the animal.

[jlaack]

#3 a 16 year old can have COMPLETE control over a rotti if there the ones who paid for it and are the ones who took coplete responsibility for the dog.

You are so mistaken. You are minors. Legally your parents are responsible for anything that dog does. Do you recall a case in Elgin where Rottweilers killed a kid? The dogs were euthanized and the parents were charged criminally--I thought one served prison time. If this dog ever injures someone the responsibility will fall on your parents.

[Shelby427]

their statements clearly prove neither of these children should have the responsibility of owning any dog - especially a dominant breed like a rott. No minor will be held responsible - only the parents or guardians of minors. I don't see how "you don't have money for classes" then you don't have enough money for anything else either. Like the above posts say, what happens if this unstable dog decides to attack another animal? Where will the money come from to care for the injured animal? What about vet bills? Like others have said, you get a job BEFORE getting a pet. What about money to neuter this dog? If your parents are strapped for cash, rehome the dog to someone who will have time and resources to care for this pet.

[Shelby427]

Originally Posted by damien07

SHELBY427- #1 a 16 year old can have complete control over a rotti if they paid for and took full responsibility for it. #2 our dog doesnt go after "just any dog" it was only our chihuahuas and that was in self defence because the chi's start it he just knocks them over and stands above them as if to say leave me alone he has NEVER hurt a dog. #3 our parents do know what is going because they see it when it happens and they read what we write to u guys and we have told them all the great advise we get and when we do use the advise it seems to work.

Ha! This proves just HOW WRONG YOU ARE!!! You do NOT have complete control over a rotti - YOU ARE A MINOR. If anything were to happen, guess what, guess who is responsible?!?!?? YOUR PARENTS BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO YOUNG. You are making statements that clearly prove you are too young and too immature to own any dog.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by damien07

a 16 year old can have COMPLETE control over a rotti if there the ones who paid for it and are the ones who took coplete responsibility for the dog.

I don't disagree with this in theory, but it IS your responsibility as a dog owner to train your dog, so earn the money, borrow the money, barter for the money........and PROVE you have control. Get him into classes!

Here are some contacts for you. The Proper Paws University website has an "ABC" class that sounds perfect for starters.

Proper Paws University
262-634-7297 • 2625 Eaton Ln, Racine,WI
Canine Education

Kenosha Kennel Club
262-694-9969
4902 85th Pl, Kenosha, WI 53142

Burlington Wisconsin Kennel Club
Jerry Solem, 6417 23rd Ave., Kenosha, WI 53143

[jlaack]

Rott rescue is willing to take your dog. They place almost 500 dogs per year and have been doing this for over a decade. I am willing to pick your dog up to transport too.

[moz205]

In response to your question to me- although it has been answered, issues with an 11 wk old Rottie showing aggression are frightening. While I commend you coming here to learn, and learn you will if you do as suggested, these puppies grow into large, powerful dogs. Even though my guy has never shown aggression he is now in training to nip any possilbe issues down the road. A Rott is not for everyone. They can be very stubborn and can be a liability. I am glad your parents are helpful but personally, I feel a Rott is not for everyone. I went down that road before with my first. I got him without any background into his breed.

It was a tough 13 yrs of learning and he had bitten. Oh, he was a "family" pet until he bit my hubby seriously, actually an attack. After that I was the only one in control and I know hubby, although he "liked" him, he nor I trusted him again when I wasn't around. I wish I had this wonderful site to get my information from back then. Believe me, I did lots of training with Rommel but on my own. He would sit, down etc, well behaved otherwise but I couldn't change his aggression issues as I did not have the knowledge of how to without a professional. This is why I am now in training with a professional even with Buddy's temperment. I know first hand what they are capable of. I too was young (30's- young in experience with the breed) when I got Rommel and gave up a lot just having him. This is a very large responsibility for anyone, any age that has no professional intervention with a dog that has issues at 11 weeks.

After all that's being told to you, either you need to give up your pup or get professional guidance right away. If your Rottie injures someone or another dog, it's another nail in the coffin for all Rottie owners. BSL feeds off these stories and OUR dogs suffer. No offense, but any 16 year olds around me couldn't take care of fish.

[jlaack]

moz205 the Rott is actually about 6-7 months old http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/beh...hihuahuas.html
the pitbull is 11 weeks. Presumably this behavior will escalate as the Rott matures and grows in strength and confidence unless serious intervention from a trainer happens right away. I hope that the Pit bull is being reared correctly. If not I can only imagine the situation of the two of them together once they are both mature.

[moz205]

Thanks for correcting me in the ages of these dogs jlaack. Of course, I know we all stand firm on our thoughts of this. With my cousins' 2 pitts who nearly killed each other after years of no problems, I am afraid for this family and their dogs. Believe me, if Buddy wanted to take me out, he could without much effort. We all know the potential of the aggression behavior escalating, exactly why after reading here I've decided to do all I can for my Buddy and not fail him.

[jlaack]

Believe me, if Buddy wanted to take me out, he could without much effort. We all know the potential of the aggression behavior escalating, exactly why after reading here I've decided to do all I can for my Buddy and not fail him.

I realize this as well with my youngest. Even though I have moderate experience with the breed the very first thing I did after I saw an undesirable behavior from Magnus was to hop on the web searching for a trainer/behaviorist. We met two days later. Magnus has been through basic obedience and intermediate and now I am taking him back to basic again. We will then continue on with the CGC class and hopefully take the test in 08. With all that was going on with Harley and Osteosarcoma last year we let a lot slide with Magnus. Not a problem where we lived before but a huge problem now that we are living in a city.

I hope the OP realizes that the situation is a headline waiting to happen. I hope it is realized that the offer by rott rescue is sincere as is my offer to pick up the dog. Both of my dogs are from this rescue and I am confident they could find him a good home with people skilled enough to handle him and make him a fine steward of the breed.

[damien07]

okay whoa! this is adrienne one of the OWNERS of the dog. yes a rott is known as one of the most aggressive dogs BUT it DOES NOT matter the age of the owner as long as your mature and know what you are doing, i have grown up with rotts since i was 4 i think i know what to do with them and just because he is a rott does NOT mean we cant take care of a dog and that he already has issues, it depends on how you train the dog not what type it is and the ONLY reason he still needs work is cause we got him at like a month ago when he was at 3-4 months so we couldnt train him when he was a puppy-puppy, i mean come on now, our chi's are more aggressive then him and isnt that supposed to be 'abnormal' so obviously it is NOT the breed of the dog. so please people ask questions before you start nagging us about whats going on cause obviously you dont if we have to repeat ourselfs over and over again. and like brandon said if he really wanted to hurt the dogs dont you think he would of done it by now? he is 5 times there size and has way bigger teeth they would of been dead by now. he just tells them to stop he has never snipped nore bitten ANY of them. he is very well trained for learning all of the stuff me and brandon taught him NOT our parents at the age of 3-4 months dont you think?

[moondog]

Whatever your abilities and/or your dog's temperament, there is a whole FORUM full of people with a ton of experience with the breed and a few (dozen) years on you that are here to tell you that a Rottweiler needs formal training for AT LEAST the first THREE years of their life.

You can behave like typical teenagers and do nothing but argue (as you've done so far), or you can behave like the RESPONSIBLE Rottweiler owners you claim to be and GET INTO TRAINING CLASSES.

Of course, none of us can make you do anything, it's up to you whether you decide to grow up or not.

[Shelby427]

Originally Posted by damien07

okay whoa! this is adrienne one of the OWNERS of the dog. yes a rott is known as one of the most aggressive dogs BUT it DOES NOT matter the age of the owner as long as your mature and know what you are doing, i have grown up with rotts since i was 4 i think i know what to do with them and just because he is a rott does NOT mean we cant take care of a dog and that he already has issues, it depends on how you train the dog not what type it is and the ONLY reason he still needs work is cause we got him at like a month ago when he was at 3-4 months so we couldnt train him when he was a puppy-puppy, i mean come on now, our chi's are more aggressive then him and isnt that supposed to be 'abnormal' so obviously it is NOT the breed of the dog. so please people ask questions before you start nagging us about whats going on cause obviously you dont if we have to repeat ourselfs over and over again. and like brandon said if he really wanted to hurt the dogs dont you think he would of done it by now? he is 5 times there size and has way bigger teeth they would of been dead by now. he just tells them to stop he has never snipped nore bitten ANY of them. he is very well trained for learning all of the stuff me and brandon taught him NOT our parents at the age of 3-4 months dont you think?

This once again proves your immaturity! It does indeed matter the age of the owners. Older owners have more experience, something of which you are lacking. The ONLY reason he still needs work is because you got him when his was 3-4 months of age?? You can't be serious. He needs work because he's never had any training. So you have aggressive chi's too then? What have you done in terms of training them? Since you haven't trained them, it's pretty clear you won't train this dog either. We don't need to ask any questions to you. YOU came on here with questions and we answered. Too bad you can't take the advice given. So he's soooo well trained that he attacks other dogs? That sounds like great training to me. Get him into classes or let someone who has experience and time and RESOURCES to help him. You obviously cannot do it.